>> WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE.
LAST MONTH, SECRETARY DESIGNATE CHRISTOPHER RUSZKOWSKI PUBLIC
EDUCATION DEPARTMENT SPOKE AT A CHARTER SCHOOL CONFERENCE AND
TOUTED THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF OUR NATION,
SAYING, THIS IS A COUNTRY BUILT OVER THE LAST 250 YEARS ON
THINGS LIKE FREEDOM, CHOICE, COMPETITION, OPTIONS, GOING
WEST, MANIFEST DESTINY.
END QUOTE.
THE REMARK ABOUT MANIFEST DESTINY, A 19TH CENTURY DOCTRINE
JUSTIFYING TERRITORIAL EXPANSION BY SETTLERS WAS CRITICIZED BY
NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBAL LEADERS, TEACHERS, UNIONS AND OTHERS.
MANY SAID THE COMMENT WAS LACKING IN SENSITIVITY AND
SHOWED THAT THE HEAD OF THE NEW MEXICO PUBLIC EDUCATION
DEPARTMENT WAS OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE PEOPLE HE WAS APPOINTED TO
SERVE.
THIS WEEK, DEMOCRATIC STATE SENATOR LINDA LOPEZ CALLED FOR
THE SECRETARY DESIGNATE TO RESIGN OVER THE COMMENT SAYING
THAT HE STILL HAD NOT EXPLAINED OR PROPERLY APOLOGIZED FOR HIS
ILL-ADVISED COMMENTS.
START WITH YOU, AS -- I UNDERSTAND YOU SPOKE WITH MR.
RUSZKOWSKI RECENTLY.
YOU MET HIM AT AN EVENT.
I AM NOT SURE IF THIS SUBJECT CAME OUT, BUT I AM CURIOUS YOUR
SENSE OF HIM AS YOU MET HIM AND THE SUBJECT MATTERS YOU DID TALK
ABOUT >> IT DIDN'T COME UP.
WE WERE DISCUSSING OTHER ITEMS AND STUFF.
I THINK HE IS EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT.
HE'S EXTREMELY SENSITIVE AS WELL AS FAR AS KNOWING HOW HIS
COMMENTS ARE IMPACTED WHICH I THINK WAS WHY HE EXPRESSED
REMORSE AS SOON AS HE WAS CALLED OUT ON IT, BUT HE IS A DEMOCRAT.
HE'S A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT.
HE WORKED FOR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS.
HE'S WORKED FOR REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS.
A LOT OF THE INITIATIVES HE IS TAKING, REALLY FOCUSED ON
WANTING TO HAVE THE STUDENT SUCCEED.
HE'S AN EDUCATOR BY TRAINING, TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN
MIAMI, CHARTER SCHOOLS IN MARYLAND.
AND HE HAS WORKED ON THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE.
TO THE ISSUE OF QUALIFICATION, I THINK, HE IS AS QUALIFIED AS ANY
OTHER STATE PUBLIC EDUCATION SECRETARY THAT WE HAVE HAD
PREVIOUSLY, THAT HAS BEEN NOMINATED, AND I THINK THAT HE
REALLY HAS THE BEST INTENTION OF THE SCHOOLS AND THE CHILDREN AT
HIS HEART.
NOW, I HEARD HIM SPEAK AT AN ECONOMIC FORUM.
HE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IF THE UNIONS
ARE HOLDING BACK STUDENTS IN NEW MEXICO.
IF HE HAD BEEN TOWING THE COMPANY LINE HE WOULD HAVE
JUMPED RIGHT ON IT.
HE SAID, NO, UNIONS ARE NOT THE ISSUE.
WE HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AROUND OUR STATE THAT ARE NOT UNIONIZED
THAT ARE HAVING JUST AS MANY ISSUES TO THOSE THAT ARE
UNIONIZED.
THE FOCUS IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THE CHILDREN.
I REALLY RESPECTED THAT.
I THOUGHT HE HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A HIT OR GIVE A HIT AND HE
DIDN'T. HE WENT BACK TO HIS BRAND.
>> KIND OF SHAPING HIM UP FOR US IN THIS DISCUSSION
>> STEPHANIE, SPECIFIC TO THE MANIFEST DESTINY COMMENT, IT IS
PRETTY SHOCKING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT.
WHAT HAPPENED PARTICULARLY IN OUR PART OF THE COUNTRY, IN OUR
STATE SPECIFICALLY.
>> MS.
LOPEZ, WAS THAT TOO STRONG FOR YOU?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I THINK SHE IS COMPLETELY IN LINE AND IT IS COMPLETELY
APPROPRIATE, I THINK, CALL FOR HIS RESIGNATION.
I THINK THAT AS HAS BEEN SAID, HIS COMMENTS WERE VERY MUCH OUT
OF TOUCH WITH SOME OF THE VALUES THAT SOME NEW MEXICANS HOLD
DEAR.
AND I THINK THAT HIM SAYING THAT IT JUST SHOWS THAT HE IS OUT O
TOUCH.
I WILL SAY, THOUGH, TOM, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND RESPECT
YOUR ANALYSIS OF PEOPLE AND POLICY.
SO I FIND IT HEARTENING TO HEAR THAT YOU THINK THAT IT WASN'T
MAL-INTENTIONED AND THAT HE DOES HAVE THE STUDENTS BEST INTEREST
SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER
INSTANCES WHERE THE SECRETARY OR ACTING SECRETARY HAS SHOWN SOME,
I WOULD SAY, LACK OF LEADERSHIP BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT
FEDERAL FUNDS THAT WERE LOST THAT COULD HAVE GONE TO SEVERAL
OF OUR REALLY UNDER-SERVED SCHOOLS THAT WOULD SPECIFICALLY
GO TO PRE K KIDS AND WE KNOW THAT IN NEW MEXICO WE HAVE SUCH
A FINITE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AND THE EARLY ED IS SOMETHING WE
HAVE SEEN AND HAS BEEN STUDIED TO ACTUALLY INCREASE
OPPORTUNITIES AND TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE FACT THAT HE
MISSED THE BOAT ON THAT IS ONE PIECE OF IT.
HIS POSITION ON SCIENCE FOUNDERS ARE ANOTHER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, PROBABLY THAT IS WHAT
SENATOR LOPEZ WAS ALSO LOOKING AT LOOKING IN THE MANIFEST
DESTINY COMMENT.
I WAS HESITANT TO BRING THAT UP AFTER HEARING TOM'S
ASSESSMENT -- HIS OPINION OF -- I WANTED TO SAY GRONKOWSKI,
SORRY SECRETARY.
>> LET ME MOVE TO SOPHIE.
THE ALL PUEBLO COUNCIL OF GOVERNORS PUT A GOOD HIT ON THEM
AS ONE COULD IMAGINE.
THIS WAS QUITE INSULTING FOR THE COUNCIL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN HIS HEART, BUT TO HAVE SOMEONE COME
OUT AND SORT OF BLURT OUT, WAS IT MAL-INTENT, WAS IT NOT
UNDERSTANDING THE TERM?
WE CAN'T REALLY FIGURE IT OUT.
>> IT IS HARD TO SAY, IN MY UNDERSTANDING HE TAUGHT CIVICS
CLASSES IN THE PAST SO THE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE
TAUGHT CIVICS AND NOT KNOW ABOUT MANIFEST DESTINY, THE THING I
THINK THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T HAD EXPOSURE
TO THAT CONCEPT OR DON'T REMEMBER FROM SCHOOL, ET CETERA,
IS THAT IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A
GENOCIDAL POLICY.
AND TO USE IT FLIPPANTLY, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE LAW, THE
FIRST PERSON THAT MENTIONS THE NAZIS LOSES ON THE INTERNET, BUT
IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND CERTAINLY IN THIS PART OF THE
COUNTRY, IT WOULD BE LIKE A POLITICIAN SAYING, WELL,
POLITICIANS DO, BUT, A PUBLIC SERVANT STANDING UP AND SAYING,
THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON SLAVERY IN A POSITIVE WAY.
WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, I HOPE, THAT THAT IS NOT AN
ACCEPTABLE VIEW OF OUR HISTORY AND THE THEME IS TRUE MANIFEST
DESTINY >> ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE
COLONIALISM AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN TERMS OF WEST WARD
EXPANSION AND INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS HERE IN NEW MEXICO
HAVE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.
THAT IS UNDERSTATEMENT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.
THAT IS PARTICULARLY TRUE.
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING FROM 1840S, THAT IS
WHERE THE TERM FIRST CAME ABOUT.
WE CAN REMEMBER THERE IS A FAMOUS PIECE OF ART WITH ANGLES
LOOKING OVER SETTLERS, SHOOTING INDIANS.
I AM AMAZED YOU COULD BE SOMEONE IN THIS STATE AND TO HAVE A
LITTLE CHECK IN YOUR MIND JUST WHEN IT GETS TO YOUR TONGUE TO
SAY, THAT IS NOT GOING TO THE WORK HERE, EVEN IF WE DON'T
KNOW.
YOUR SENSE WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD HIM.
ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE HIM A MULLIGAN AND MOVE ON OR IS MS.
LOPEZ RIGHT HERE, SOMETHING HE NEEDS TO ANSWER FOR HERE?
>> WELL, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW THE SECRETARY DESIGNEE SO I DON'T KNOW HIS
HEART.
IT RAISES AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
TO ERR IS HUMAN.
TO FORGIVE IS DIVINE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DEBATED IN THE SENATE WHEN WE BEGAN WEB
CASTING, BECAUSE I INTRODUCED THAT BILL AND THEN
REPRESENTATIVE ARNOLD JONES STARTED TO WEB CAST FROM HER
COMPUTER, WAS ARCHIVING THE DISCUSSIONS AND THE DEBATES,
RIGHT?
THAT WAS A CONCERN AMONG THE LEADERSHIP.
BECAUSE, THE REALITY IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL MISSPEAK.
DID SECRETARY RUSZKOWSKI MISSPEAK OR DID HE HAVE SOME
MAL-INTENT IN HIS HEART.
THE REALITY IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHILOSOPHICAL ORIGINS OF
MANIFEST DESTINY, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY AGREEMENT.
SOME PEOPLE FEEL IT IS A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO TAKE LAND FROM
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
OTHER PEOPLE FELT, YOU KNOW, THE CONTINENT WAS MEANT TO BE, YOU
KNOW, RUN BY AMERICANS.
SO, ANYWAY, THIS IS CONCERNING TO ME, BECAUSE THE REALITY IS
THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL MISSPEAK AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS,
THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT OPRAH RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
EVERYBODY LOVES THIS LADY AND THEY SHOULD, BUT, YOU KNOW,
THERE IS PROBABLY SOME STUFF SHE HAS SAID SOMEWHERE THAT WOULD
COME OUT AND RUIN HER REPUTATION, ON THE LEFT AND
RIGHT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE CONDI RICE RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS FAIR TO JUDGE SOMEONE BASED ON A FEW
THINGS THAT THEY SAY.
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH HIS RESPONSES SINCE THEN?
DO YOU FEEL LIKE HE HAS HEARD FOLKS WHO HAD A PROBLEM WITH
THIS?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY.
HE SAID HE MISSPOKE.
HE SAID IF HE HAD TO DO IT OVER AGAIN HE WOULD USE SOME
DIFFERENT WORDS.
I THINK THE BIGGER PICTURE TOO IS JUST WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH
PUBLIC ED.
MAYBE NOT THE BIGGER PICTURE BUT ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT
IS WE TALK ABOUT JOB GROWTH.
WE TALK ABOUT OUR MARKET IN TERMS OF BRINGING IN COMPANIES
AND SO FORTH.
LOOK AT OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM.
WE ARE DOING BETTER AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MARTINEZ
ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THAT.
>> GOOD POINT.
TOM, JUST UNDER A MINUTE.
THIS COMMENT WAS MADE TO THE WASHINGTON POST, YOU KNOW, FOR
OBVIOUS REASONS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN SAY THINGS BUT IT IS
LEFT UP TO THE REST OF US TO GET PAST IT.
WE HAVE TO KIND OF FIX THE DAMAGE HERE A LITTLE BIT.
WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE ON THIS?
DOES IT WASH OUT IN THE CULTURE?
>> I THINK IT IS UP TO THE SECRETARY DESIGNATE TO REALLY
EXPRESS WHAT HIS HEART IS THROUGH FUTURE ACTIONS.
I DON'T THINK -- I THINK HE HAS ADDRESSED THE ISSUE, NEEDS TO
MOVE ON.
I THINK HIS PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR PED NEEDS TO PULL IT
BACK A COUPLE OF NOTCHES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW --
MULTIPLE VOICES >> EXACTLY.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS OUT OF LINE.
IT MADE FOR INTERESTING HEADLINES AND NEWS ARTICLES BUT
DIDN'T HELP ADVANCE THE ARGUMENT AT ALL.
>> GOOD POINT.
HAVE TO END.
WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE LINE, WE'LL LOOK AT THE ROLE OF
LOBBYISTS IN STATE GOVERNMENT.
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