even atheist yeah I am an atheist yeah I am this I am so you're not an atheist no
so you're leaning that way because of evolution yeah I don't believe in the
there's a guy in the sky that lives in the sky and you believe in evolution of
course I do yes live son says of Darwinian evolution
it can turn dinosaurs into birds apes into humans and and fibia smells
into whales what Darwin showed in his work on evolution natural selection is
that we don't need to invoke any supernatural force or power to account
for the development of life through time on earth you think it's a belief I think
it's just fact I think more like facts there is too much evidence to ignore do
you think it's a belief no it's science it's the way it happened it's logical
you know science is pretty much agree with it's it's more of a fact when did
you start to believe when I started to think for myself when did you stop
believing when I took my first biology class it all started to make a lot of
sense teacher made it very very easy to understand I generally trust a
scientific community makes more sense than any religion or anything the
fossils they found of all the other cavemen the homo sapien dinosaurs
it shows clear evidence I believe in science what's your major here at this
university biology your biology mate yeah you believe in evolution yes what's
your major geology chemistry biochemistry environmental science and
policy kind of physicist biochemistry hey do you believe in evolution yes I do
do you believe in evolution yes I do of course yes they do I do believe in
evolution you believe in evolution yes are you a strong believer yes are you a
strong believer yep yes yes absolutely a scientific method is based on the
collection of data through observation and experimentation science daily
could you give me some observable evidence that evolution it's true
something I don't have to receive by faith
yeah some observable evidence I mean take a look at what happened 65 million
years ago hang on I can't that's 65 million years ago I believe totally I'm
millions of years so that can't be observed we can trace the evolution
through the fossil record would you be specific just give me one a between six
and seven million years ago hundreds of thousands to millions of years so it's
quite a long time yes millions of years yes
it can't be observed the canine kind the coyote and the domestic dog and is the
feline kind which is the cats the tiger and the kitten and you've got humankind
so Darwin said there'd be a change of kinds over many years so could you give
me one example of observable it's evidence of a change of kinds for
instance the fossil record shows the common ancestors of all carnivores that
cats and dogs are once linked once united by a common ancestor how long ago
this I believe was like 60 million years ago can you think of any observable
evidence for Darwinian evolution where he said there be a change of kind monkey
- yeah a change of kinds I don't really believe there's any proof
for that yet well the monkeys are the only ones with the fifth digit like we
have koalas have a fifth digit did you know that I didn't know that think we're
evolved from koalas no I know that everyone talks about the missing link
for humans and whatnot I believe that there are connected that are out there
that we haven't found yet I'm gonna trust what those experts did
those experts came up with I have a strong trust and evolutionary ideas
based on the evidence presented can you think of any observable evidence for
Darwinian evolution a change of kinds I haven't seen it myself but I believe
what the textbooks tell me about it so you've got faith in the expert I have
faith in the experts yeah I guess similar to how religious people have
faith that God actually exists I have faith and the experts knowing what
they're talking about the scientific method us must be observable and
repeatable so could you give me one piece of observable evidence for
Darwinian evolution okay I would point to as one great example is look at the
genetics of the stickleback what's that so stickleback fish are very interesting
collection species that were recently isolated after the end of the Ice Age
what do they become they're they're various species of sticklebacks status
fish well of course can you think of any observable evidence where there was a
change of kinds fish human beings are still fish human beings a fish why yes
of course they are how long did that take a couple of billions of years
millions Millions hair is that observable it's not we came out of the
ground as a mammal and one mammal create matter the ground didn't come out of the
sea why initially in the beginning we came out of the ground and the sea after
the great destruction of the we have lungs or gills when we came out of the
sea you want to know something those that were in the sea I guess had gills
and those that had were on land had lungs if we came out of the sea we had
gills in the sea you want to know something who knows that we came out of
the sea or we came out we evolved from mammals so you don't know huh of course
I don't know I'm accepting that they did their science correctly do you give me
an example of Darwinian evolution not adaptation or speciation but a change of
kinds these are changes of kinds still fish they're distinctly different fish
we have thousands of examples give me what can you give me one I can give you
I can give you thousands just one for instance I would say look at Lynn skis
experiments of bacteria then what are the bacteria become the bacteria are
still bacteria of course that's not Darwinian evolution
that's not a change of kinds as a it is a change it is a change in the genetic
makeup of the bacteria which is a still bacteria what are the bacteria become a
new kind of bacterium still bacteria there's no change of kinds
to summarize the observable evidence that you give me for Darwinian evolution
is bacteria becoming bacteria no it is bacteria acquiring new metabolic
capabilities you said before that there are there are lots of evidence for
evolution I just want one observable evidence for Darwinian evolution not
just one but I gave you some you don't want not some I want one you don't want
that I want one thing yes I do I'm pleading with you you asked me to tell
you you asked me to tell you when I've watched one species evolve into another
isn't that right no one kind into another there's 14 is at 14 different
definitions of species so I want a change of a kind it has nothing to do
with faith faith is something that I have two unseen I have to believe in
that's it I'm seeing do you believe evolution of course I do
you will believe it any of Ellucian yes I am we did you start to believe
evolution I started to believe evolution when I started to think out for myself
is evolution of belief ever ever well you know something evolution is a is a
thought processes is coming to terms and and checking out all the alternate all
the alternatives like taking a look at the religion man-made religions ask you
again is evolution of belief no if evolution is we are in a word yeah I
could say it could be a belief give me one instance
yes we have an example from a group of birds called Darwin's finches do you
take a look at the difference between the finches on the islands that all
started out I mean that's very very observed that's not Darwinian evolution
there's been no change of kinds much of the finches become they become
genetically new and anatomically new recognizably different speeds there's
still finches well of course they're still finches yes another change there's
no change of kind little birds that here they had observed that or what have they
become their beaks their beak shapes that still
birds yes three finches that turned into different types of birds bass still
finches well for example Darwin and and his study on evolution of the birds on
the island that he went on to their they exchanged their beaks that still birds
there's no change of kinds that's within the current evolution on
the beach that's so that's called adaptation it's not Darwinian evolution
there's no change of kinds there's no different animal involved I want
something that shows me Darwin's belief and the change of kinds
as scientific Darwin spoke of a change of kind can you think of any observable
evidence for Darwinian evolution where this change of kind kind
kind
I don't have to think about them a little longer you give me anything that
I can see observe and test which is a scientific method for Darwinian
evolution a change of kinds test and observe could you give me observable
evidence which is the scientific method for Darwinian evolution a change of
kinds
okay I gotta think about it so you want the evidence of it I would say
I cannot I think hmm
it's a hard question actually
my DNA
so you reap the question again could you give me any observable evidence just one
for Darwinian evolution let me think about that for a sec um observable
evidence something where we don't have to exercise faith something can be
observed like the scientific process observable hmm that's a good question
Balan I'm not quite sure you can't think of any observable evidence for evolution
now how do you know it's true sure so Darwinian evolution is not observable
that's not scientific I guess so so it's unscientific you can't prove that a
scientific actually you could prove it it could be proven just do it for me
ah that's hard I don't it's just that's just too broad of a unobservable that's
why you need millions of years yes exactly
when you're trusting the biology majors and the biology professors know what
they're talking about and they can't even give you they can't even give me
evidence of a change of kinds well I'm well then there isn't one if
they don't give it then I don't I wouldn't say there was yeah I just
thought what I've seen and what I've learned from well you believe yeah you
know what that's cool what lie in faith right babe
faith is the great cop-out the great excuse to evade the need to think and
evaluate evidence Richard Dawkins
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