>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO
"METROFOCUS," I'M JENNA PLAN
GONE.
SURVEILLANCE HAS COME A LONG WAY
SINCE THE CLASSIC STAKEOUT.
BUT WHAT ONE CONSIDERS OBSERVING
FROM A DISTANCE, CAN BE
MONITORING YOUR PRIVATE CONTINUE
VIA SOCIAL MEDIA.
WE TAKE AN IN-DEPTH LOOK NOT
ONLY AT THE MILL TARIZATION OF
DIGITAL POLICE, BUT ALSO THEIR
USE OF INFORMATION TO TRACK A
SUSPECT.
>> WE NOW HAVE DRONES THAT CAN
FLY IN FORMATION, AND THEY CAN
TALK TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND THEY CAN MAKE DECISIONS
ABOUT WHETHER TO FIRE A HELL
FIRE MISSILE OR NOT.
WHO MAKES THAT DECISION?
THE COMPUTER CAN MAKE IT MORE
QUICKLY OR MORE ACCURATELY THAN
YOU OR I CAN.
MAYBE WE SHOULD LET THEM DECIDE.
NOW WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE DOWN
THE TERMINATOR ROUTE, WE HAVE
ROBOTIC INTELLIGENCE THAT CAN
DESTROY HUMAN LIFE WHEN IT
THINKS IT'S AN APPROPRIATE THING
TO DO.
DO YOU WANT TO GO THERE, I THINK
IT'S INEVITABLE, BECAUSE THOSE
WAR MACHINES ARE GOING TO BE
MORE POWERFUL, MORE ACCURATE
THAN WHAT WE NOW HAVE.
I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW WE'RE NOT
GOING TO GO THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW AS HUMANS WE'RE
GOING TO MODERATE THE BAD THINGS
THAT CAN EVOLVE.
IT'S INEVITABLE.
IT'S ALL RIGHT SORT OF THERE.
>> JOINING ME NOW THE RACHEL
LEVENSON WALLEDMAN, THE NATIONAL
SECURITY PROGRAM WHICH SEEKS TO
ENACT NATIONAL SECURITY POLICIES
THAT REFLECT CONSTITUTIONAL
VALUES AS WELL AS THE RULE OF
LAW.
SHE'S WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT
POLICE DEPARTMENTS MONITORING
SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS AS PART OF
THEIR SURVEILLANCE TACTICS.
RACHEL, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
ME.
THIS IS A BRAVE NEW WORLD THAT
YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT AND
BRING OUR AUDIENCE UP TO SPEED
AS TO HOW MUCH A POLICE
DEPARTMENT CAN FIND OUT ABOUT
YOU JUST FROM YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA
ACCOUNTS.
>> SURE.
I THINK AS ANYONE WHO USES
SOCIAL MEDIA KNOWS, THERE'S A
LOT OUT THERE, PEOPLE PUT A LOT
OUT THERE ABOUT THEMSELVES, WE
KNOW AT THIS POINT, ALMOST EVERY
POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS
SORTED REPORTED ON THEIR USE OF
SOCIAL MEDIA, FOR CRIMINAL USES,
INTELLIGENCE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEY CAN DO THAT IN A COUPLE
OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS AN
OFFICER OR A DETECTIVE, LOOKING
SORT OF ONE-ON-ONE, MAYBE
THINKING, THIS IS SOMEONE OF
INTEREST TO ME FOR SOME REASON,
MAYBE I LOOK AT THEIR PROFILE
AND SEE WHAT'S THAT ABOUT.
OR IT COULD BE LOOKING FOR HASH
TAGS OR IT COULD BE USING
ANALYTICAL TOOLS THAT CAN CRUNCH
TOGETHER A LOT OF INFORMATION.
>> BUT PEOPLE SAY MY FACEBOOK IS
PRIVATE, MY TWITTER ACCOUNT IS
PRIVATE, I KEEP MINE PRIVATE, SO
IT SHOULD JUST BE MINE, CORRECT?
>> IN MOST CASES YES, IF YOU DO
HAVE PRIVACY CONTROLS LOCKED
DOWN, THAT SHOULD MEAN THAT A
LOT OF YOUR INFORMATION IS
PRIVATE.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THERE'S
A COUPLE OF CAVEATS TO THAT.
ONE IS, AS I WAS MENTIONING
SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.
I THINK MANY PEOPLE DON'T
CONSIDER THEMSELVES EVER TO BE A
TARGET OF AN INVESTIGATION.
BUT SOMEONE CAN CONNECT WITH
PEOPLE AND FIND INFORMATION THAT
PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY ACT
SELLABLE TO THEIR FRIENDS AND
FAMILY.
AND WHILE THE PLATFORMS
THEMSELVES LIKE FACEBOOK MIGHT
HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON SETTING UP
UNDERCOVER ACCOUNTS, THAT
DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THAT HARD TO
DO.
>> TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE
RULE OF LAW, IT SEEMS AS IF
TECHNOLOGY AND WE HAVE TALKED
ABOUT THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS GONE
PAST WHAT LEGALITY HAS.
SO WHAT ABOUT IF A LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ASKS YOU FOR
YOUR PASSWORD FOR YOU'RE SOCIAL
MEDIA ACCOUNT?
>> I THINK ASKING FOR YOUR
PASSWORD, WHETHER OR NOT THE LAW
SAYS THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO IT,
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION
TO HAND OVER THEIR PASS WORDS TO
THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.
AND ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST USERS
OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS THE NYPD,
ESPECIALLY IN THEIR FOCUS ON
GANGS, FOCUS ON CREWS.
AND ESPECIALLY USE OF COLOR,
SOCIAL MEDIA HAS BEEN A BIG
SOURCE OF INFORMATION BY THE
NYPD AND WE HAVE LEARNED THAT A
PRACTICE IS ASKING FOR PASS
WORDS, SO THE POLICE WOULD NOT
ONLY BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE
POSTING, BUT PRIVATE MESSAGES
SHARED WITH PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THERE'S A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN ARE THEY
LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO THAT OR
NOT?
SURE, THEY CAN ASK, AND WHETHER
PEOPLE MIGHT FEEL PRESSURED TO
HAND IT OVER, LOOK, WE'RE GOING
TO LET YOU GO IF YOU GIVE US A
PASSWORD TO YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA
ACCOUNTS.
THEN THERE'S ACCESS TO SO MUCH
ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> ONE THING I WANT TO GET MY
HEAD AROUND, IS WHAT ARE THEY
DOING THIS WITH INFORMATION, YOU
MENTIONED HASH TAGS, AND
INFORMATION YOU MAY BE POSTING,
BUT ARE THEY BUILDING PROFILES,
DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO
THAT BASED ON WHAT I MIGHT OR
MIGHT NOT POST?
>> IN TERMS OF WHAT WE KNOW WITH
WHAT POLICE ARE DOING WITH
SOCIAL MEDIA, AND ESPECIALLY
DOING THINGS LIKE HASH TAG
SEARCHES, KEYWORD SEARCHES,
THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF POLICE
DEPARTMENTS, SORT OF THE WAY
THEY USE SOCIAL MEDIA
TECHNOLOGIES, THERE WAS A POLICE
DEPARTMENT THAT FILED A FOYA
REQUEST, THE BOSTON POLICE
DEPARTMENT HAD USED KEYWORD
SEARCHES AND A SOCIAL MEDIA
MONITORING TOOL, BUT IT GIVES
YOU A PICTURE OF HOW POLICE ARE
USING THESE KINDS OF TOOLS.
I WOULD SAY IN THE CASE OF THE
BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT,
LARGELY WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING
WAS THE KINDS OF WORDS THAT WERE
BEING LOOKED FOR IS "COMMUNITY"
IN ARABIC, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY
TARGETING COMMUNITIES OF COLOR
AND MUSLIM COMMUNITIES, SORT OF
ACTIVISTS, SO WE THINK OF SOCIAL
MEDIA MONITORING, AMONG THIS SEA
OF INFORMATION, THIS IS HOW
POLICE ARE GOING TO FIND
THREATS.
AND BY AND LARGE, IT SEEMS TO BE
SOME COMBINATION OF TARGETING
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES AND
BASICALLY PULLING UP A LOT OF
NOISE AND A LOT OF WORTHLESS
INFORMATION.
>> WE ONLY HAVE A MINUTE LEFT,
BUT I HAVE TO ASK, WITH ALL THIS
INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO
POLICE DEPARTMENTS, WE RECENTLY
HAD A TRAGEDY IN FLORIDA AND
THIS YOUNG MAN WHO PERPETRATED
THIS TRAGEDY WAS POSTING ALL
OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.
HOW DID THAT FALL THROUGH THE
CRACKS?
>> I THINK PART OF THE ANSWER IS
THAT THE ISSUE WASN'T WHETHER
HIS SOCIAL MEDIA WAS BEING
TARGETED.
THERE WERE SO MANY RED FLAGS FOR
THIS PERSON.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT SOUNDS LIKE
HIS MOTHER HAD CALLED THE POLICE
ON HIM MULTIPLE TIMES, A POSTING
HE HAD PUT ON INSTAGRAM OR
YOUTUBE ACTUALLY HAD BEEN
REPORTED TO THE FBI.
HE HAD BEEN EXPELLED FROM THE
SCHOOL, HIS CLASSMATES HAD
RAISED KIND OF RED FLAGS ABOUT
HIM.
I ABSOLUTELY THINK, IF THERE'S
SOMEBODY ABOUT WHOM THERE IS A
SPECIFIC REASON TO BELIEVE THAT
THEY POSE A THREAT, I THINK
THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER IN
TERMS OF DOING KIND OF TARGETED
LOOKING AT SOMEBODY ON SOCIAL
MEDIA.
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY
DIFFERENT FROM THINKING ABOUT
DOING SORT OF DRAGNET MONITORING
OF EVERYONE OUT THERE USING
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS.
>> RACHEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US ON THE PROGRAM.
I WANT TO URGE ALL OF YOU TO
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