BUDDY PILGRIM: It's so important for them to look at those voter
guides, not just on their congressional candidates and the
senatorial candidates. KEITH BUTLER: And local. BUDDY: Look
at them for those judges. States like Texas, you know, in Texas
we vote for the judges in Texas. They're not appointed. I want to
tell you, I want to go to a voter guide, and I'm going to
read what that guy's record is to make a decision.
(Music)
GEORGE: This is Pastor George Pearsons, and
welcome to this very special edition of
the Believer's Voice of Victory, "Faith for Our
Nation." And we are talking about the primary elections that
various states are experiencing as well as the upcoming midterm
election, which it is so important that we--that we vote.
And I want to mention this before I--I introduce our guests
again. But you can go to "americastands.us," and there is
much information that you can get on there: The primary
election dates, the political platforms, voters guides. There
are some notes that I have on there about messages that I've
preached based on the political platforms as well as election
dates that are coming up by state, by candidate, by
position. Prayers for our nations scriptures, and all of
the outlines that Bishop Butler has been teaching on these
broadcasts are going to be available on this website as
well as the. You can download them absolutely free.
They're yours. Because I'm sitting here as a pastor,
thinking to myself, listening to Bishop Butler, "Hmm, I think I'm
going to be preaching these in our church when it comes time
for election to inform our congregation." And I also would
like to inspire our pastors to show these broadcasts to your
congregations. This is vital. This is so important. Show
them--show them to your congregations. Post them, get
them out there, because this is the very information that we
need to be able to make an intelligent decision, a godly
decision about our responsibility to vote. So on
our broadcast this week, I have my cohost, Buddy Pilgrim. Buddy,
so glad to have you on here. BUDDY: Thank you, George.
GEORGE: And then Bishop Keith Butler, thank you, Bishop, for
being with us. This has been so informative. If the folks have
not been watching us, they need to go back on and watch
these broadcasts to get educated on what we need to know about
taking our responsibility. So, Bishop, I'm going to throw it
back to you. Let's get right into this. You've got some very
soul-stirring and shocking things you want to tell us.
KEITH: I really want to encourage people. If this is the
first day you're hearing this, you really need to go back to
one and two-- GEORGE: Absolutely, absolutely. KEITH:
--because we're building off of a base-- GEORGE: Yep. KEITH:
--what we're talking about. Amen? GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: So
we're talking now about issues. So if you turn to Isaiah--
GEORGE: Okay. KEITH: --Chapter 1. And, of course, as you are
turning there, we were reminding what the Bible says. "As long as
the earth remains, seedtime and harvest shall not cease." And
your vote is a seed that brings harvest to you. GEORGE: That's
right, that's right. KEITH: Here is another issue, because this
issue covers federal, state, and local. Isaiah 1:24, "Therefore
thus saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel,
Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of
mine enemies: and I will turn my hand upon thee, and I will
purely purge away thy dross, and take away thy--take away thy
tin." And he says this because they were operating in the
curse. And God said, "Now the time is--time is turning. My
hand is coming back up on that day, and I'm going to bless
you," all right? "And I will restore thy judges--" GEORGE:
Yes. KEITH: "--as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the
beginning: after that thou shall be called, The city of
righteousness, the faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed
with judgment, her converts with righteousness. And the
destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be
together, and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed."
Judges are absolutely critical. GEORGE: Oh, yes. KEITH: I mean,
politicians come and go, but in some--in some quarters, judges
remain for life. BUDDY: Yeah. GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: Okay, now
some judges are appointed by politicians. But some judges are
directly elected. BUDDY: Yes. KEITH: And they're usually on a
bad ballot, you know, and nobody even knows the judges. BUDDY:
Now. KEITH: Don't know nothing about the judge. But--and today,
that's ridiculous. You can Google and find out about
anybody today, okay? There's a lot of bad stuff about having
such an open society. But one of the good things is, when it
comes to leadership like that, you can find out about an
individual. Judges really matter. And again, seedtime and
harvest. GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: Man, what judges decide
determine everything from where your kids can go to school, what
their curriculum's going to be, whether or not you can
speak--speak about biblical things or not. I mean, you can
go on and on and on. BUDDY: They almost make law today. In fact,
many of them do make-- KEITH: In fact, they do make law. BUDDY:
--laws. KEITH: They're not supposed to. BUDDY: They are not
supposed to. KEITH: But they do. BUDDY: They do. Yeah. You
mentioned America Stands website a minute ago with those voter
guides that are on there. GEORGE: Right, right. BUDDY: So
few people know about judges. What you were just saying, that
makes those voter guides on the America Stands website so
vitally important, because most good voter guides include
information about judges and what they believe in, what
they--what their voting record is on key--key issues, in
particular, key Christian issues. GEORGE: Right. BUDDY:
It's so important for them to look at those voter guides not
just on their congressional candidates and the senatorial
candidates-- KEITH: The level-- BUDDY: --look at them for those
judges. States like Texas--you know, in Texas, we vote for the
judges in Texas. They're not appointed. I want to tell you, I
want to go to a voter guide, and I'm going to read what that
guy's record is to make a decision. GEORGE: And as pastors
now and ministers, we are--we have freedom to be able to help
people-- KEITH: Yeah. GEORGE: --in these decision processes.
We have a great, great man in our church who ran for family
judge, and he won. KEITH: Praise God. GEORGE: (Laughs) And I have
a feeling I know why. Ha-ha-ha. KEITH: Well, yeah, you have to
remember, when a state Supreme Court justice or--or federal
judge or--U.S.--United States Supreme Court judge was
once--they were once a local judge. GEORGE: Yes, that's
right. BUDDY: That's right, yeah. KEITH: Okay. BUDDY: They
started somewhere. KEITH: They started somewhere usually. So
again, this is vitally important. Here is another one:
Proverbs 22--since I'm running you through scriptures right
now-- GEORGE: Yep. Thank you. KEITH: --and running through
issues right now. Proverbs 22:7 says, "The rich ruleth over the
poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender." GEORGE:
Mm-hmm. KEITH: Here's another big issue. That is, where do
people stand on national debt or local debt? Spending your--your
children's money-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --is immoral for a
generation to spend all of their money, put the debt on them,
okay, for our lust. It's wrong to do. So you want to know
where-- GEORGE: Wow. Wow. KEITH: --and, see, this amounts even to
the local level, not just national debt. And when I served
on the Detroit City Council, they were big into deficit
spending and borrowing, borrowing, borrowing. And I told
them when I was on the council-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --I said,
"You can't keep borrowing this money and kicking this can down
the road and there not be a consequence. There's going to be
a consequence." Well, you know, it fell on deaf ears. Well,
decade and a half later, bang, Detroit went bankrupt. How many
people lost jobs? How many people's homes were affected?
How many--all of that. Once again, seedtime and harvest.
Harvest came back for you voted for--for politicians who will
not make hard decisions and do what is right for the people.
You are elected not just for your political benefit, but for
an--and not even just for your generation, but for the health
and well-being of generations down the road. GEORGE: Yes, yes.
KEITH: And so you make us--servants of Detroit wound up
being at the mercy of, you know, all these creditors and--
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --and a lot of things that had to have
happen that were very painful that hurt a lot of people
because of violating this principle. So this is another
issue in which you want to look at. BUDDY: Sitting here
listening to you-- KEITH: Yes, sir. BUDDY: --this happened
as--in the last broadcast. We're listening to you. The Lord
brought to mind something that I'd never made a connection to
before this. Education not of my own kids, but education of other
kids. As I sit here and listen to this, you know, that verse
Proverbs 7--Proverbs 22:7, "The rich rules over the poor, and
the borrower is a slave to the lender," the verse right before
that-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Mm-hmm, yeah. BUDDY: --is "Train
up a child in the way he should go--" GEORGE: Exactly, exactly.
BUDDY: "--and even when he's old, he'll not depart from it."
GEORGE: Yeah, yeah. BUDDY: And by the way, here's what you need
to train him up in, that the rich rules over the poor. But
here's what really just jumped in my spirit a minute ago--
GEORGE: Yep. BUDDY: I never thought about this relative to
the issue of debt. What does the Bible say about a good man and
an inheritance? GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: Leaves one. BUDDY: "A
good man leaves an inheritance to his-- GEORGE: Oh, that's
good, Buddy. BUDDY: "--children's children." Now,
every time I've ever thought about that verse, I've thought
about it relative to me making sure I leave a financial
inheritance to my grandkids, okay? Not to my kids, because I
want my kids to be wealthy enough to not need my
inheritance. I'll just skip over them and leave it to the
grandkids. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. BUDDY: Okay? I want my kids to
already be prosperous. But I've always thought about that in
terms of my personal line of inheritance. That has to do with
the nation that we leave our kids as well. And the Bible
doesn't say, "Leave your grandkids a nation--" GEORGE:
That's exactly right. BUDDY: "--full of debt." GEORGE: That's
exactly right. BUDDY: That's what jumped in my spirit.
GEORGE: That's exactly-- BUDDY: We're to leave our kids a nation
that's not in debt. We are to leave a good inheritance to our
grandkids. GEORGE: Boy, oh, boy. BUDDY: And we're not headed down
that path. KEITH: Your state and your city--I just gave you--
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Now, thank God Detroit's coming back now,
and now she's--she's having a revival economically. And thank
God for that. But there was a ton of pain that took place
because of it. Let's talk about another issue. GEORGE: Mm-hmm.
KEITH: Proverbs 19:17, since I'm--you wanted me to run
through some of the issues so-- GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: --so I'm
running through them for you. GEORGE: Thank you. KEITH:
Proverbs 19:17, "He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto
the Lord; and that which he has given will he pay him again."
Well, another issue is, God cares about the poor. GEORGE:
Yep. BUDDY: Yes. KEITH: And this is not one you normally hear in
some circles, okay? But God does care about the poor. And God
says, "You take care of the poor, you're lending to me."
BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: And so, now, obviously, how you handle them,
there's a lot of different ideas about it. Okay, I'm not getting
into those weeds today. BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: Okay? But--but the
whole issue about caring about, again, people other than
yourself, "Love your neighbor--" Bible "--as yourself." Well,
your neighbor is less fortunate, there's reasons why. And your
vote can have something to do with it. Their education--
BUDDY: Mm-hmm. KEITH: --their training-- BUDDY: Mm. GEORGE:
Yeah. BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: --their very survival-- GEORGE:
Yeah. KEITH: --what kind of schools they are allowed to go
to or not go to. I mean, there's a whole host of things. You
should care about the poor, okay? And you want to know what
a politician thinks about that. Now I'm about to stick my foot
in one that I'm pretty sure y'all are going to get some mail
on. Turn to Luke 22. GEORGE: Okay. KEITH: (Laughs) I'm about
to put my boot in it. GEORGE: Okay. KEITH: And stay--stay.
Because people don't normally think of this as a biblical
issue, but it's right here in the Bible, okay? BUDDY: Okay.
KEITH: So I'm going to back up. And here we've got the Lord
Jesus, right? So in Luke 22:33. And Jesus says unto them, "Lord,
I'm--" or Simon says, "Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both
into prison, and to death. And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the
cock shall not crow this day, before thou shall deny me three
times--" And then Jesus said to them, "When I sent you without
purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked you anything?" Well,
that's when He sent them out two by two, right? BUDDY: Mm-hmm.
KEITH: Okay? Sent the disciples out, and then he sent 70 out
later. And now he said, "Now, when I sent you out without
nothing, you didn't have no purse, you didn't have no scrip,
you had no shoes. Did you lack anything?" "No." "Why not?"
Well, we'll see in a minute. "Then He said unto them, "But
now--" because He's about to depart. "--he that hath a purse,
take it, and in the same way take his scrip." And then He
said something you would never think would come out of the
mouth of the Lord Jesus. "And he that have no sword, let him sell
his garment, and go buy a sword." GEORGE: (Laughs) Okay.
Here it comes. KEITH: What! GEORGE: Right here it comes.
KEITH: Jesus said that? GEORGE: Here it comes. KEITH: Well, what
is the purpose of a sword? GEORGE: Yes. KEITH: Purpose of a
sword is for self-defense. BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: Okay. Now,
he said--he said, "As long as I'm here, as long as I'm on the
earth, you don't need nothing. I'm leaving. And so now--"
GEORGE: Mm. KEITH: "--get your--" they said, "In fact,
sell your garment and go get you one," okay? Well, somebody
said--somebody said, "Well, I thought the Bible said, 'Thou
shalt not kill.'" Well, first of all, you need to read the Hebrew
on that because that's actually not what it says. King James
doesn't do us right with that. That word there is "thou shall
do no murder." Murder is the killing of an innocent. BUDDY:
Yeah. KEITH: Okay? But somebody who is trying to take your
innocent life, the life of your child, your wife, folks in the
church or whatever, somebody-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH:
--demon-possessed individual trying to kill you, you have a
right to use your sword. Now, of course, back then, they had a
sword. Today, we have a Glock or a Smith & Wesson or whatever it
is. (Laughs) Okay? But what He's talking about here is the--is
the right to defend yourself. BUDDY: That's right. KEITH: And
this is in the Bible, and Jesus said it. You want to know where
a politician stands on the right to your own self-defense. BUDDY:
Yeah. KEITH: That's a biblical right, too. And--and the Bible
is right there in it. And so, you know, I love you, George,
but if you were crazed and demon-possessed, and you came,
and you came-- BUDDY: And you're not. KEITH: --with a knife to
try and steal--try and kill Deborah, okay, I'm going to take
you down. GEORGE: Ha. KEITH: Okay? Now, after you're down,
then I'm going to lay hands on you, see if I can raise you from
the dead, okay? (Laughter) GEORGE: Thank you. KEITH: Or if
you're hurt, I'm going to get you some medical attention. But
I have a responsibility to protect myself, my children, my
wife. And government-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --okay--same thing,
God--because we--the Bible tells us about God sets police--okay,
it's right there in the book of Romans. And it tells us that God
calls them. But if you've got somebody in your house, and
they're about to take the life of your child or rape your
daughter, okay, and you've got 30 seconds to deal with this,
the police got--the police are two minutes away, well, the
police may catch the rapist, or they may catch the killer, but
you'll be dead, or your child will be raped. BUDDY: You can't
defend yourself with your robe. But you can with your weapon. A
robe ain't much of a weapon. That's why He said, sell it and
buy a weapon. KEITH: Jesus said it. And like I said, you know,
if y'all get a bunch of mail on this, I'm sorry. But it's right
here in the Bible. GEORGE: Yeah, you're leaving town. KEITH: I'm
not apologizing for the Bible. And when God said--when He
said--and Jesus said what He said-- BUDDY: He knew what He
said. It's in red. KEITH: And somebody says, "Yeah, but--but
then Peter got on Jesus--Jesus got on Peter's case for cutting
off Malchus' ear. GEORGE: Right. KEITH: Well, why? GEORGE: Yeah.
KEITH: Because there was a time for everything. GEORGE: Yep.
BUDDY: Yeah. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: All right? Peter didn't
understand. This was part of his failure. "Satan desires to sift
you as wheat. I'm praying your faith fail not." Peter didn't
understand there was a divine plan, okay? He fell asleep
instead of praying. You remember, watch, okay, the flesh
is willing--the spirit's willing-- GEORGE: Yeah. Oh,
that's good. That's good. KEITH: Yeah, "The flesh is weak, the
spirit's willing," and so forth. Well, so he missed what God was
trying to do. Jesus was supposed to be taken to fulfill our
righteousness. GEORGE: Right. KEITH: But on the other--but on
the other side of that, you know, God gave them a right to
use the sword. BUDDY: These--these examples you're
giving are so specific of how, if we'll stay in the Word, the
Word'll give us direction on every single one of these
decisions, from caring for the poor--which basically the
Bible--there is no place in the Bible that I've ever found--I
don't think it's in there. There's not a place in the Bible
where it says it's the government's responsibility to
take care of the poor. It's the church's responsibility, and
it's our individual responsibility to--to take care
of our neighbors. It is not a collective responsibility of the
government to take care of the poor. That instruction's given
in the Bible. And now I know another place that even a weapon
to defend yourself is in the Bible thanks to today's lesson.
KEITH: Well--well, let me say something, though, about that
issue about the poor because--because most churches
don't involve themselves in taking care of the poor. GEORGE:
Mm-hmm. KEITH: And most Christians are not involved in
doing that. So the issues fall on the government so-- BUDDY:
Yeah. KEITH: --until that's taken care of-- GEORGE: Yes.
KEITH: --okay, then I think the next best thing is that we have
to--the government's got to participate some kind of way.
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Now, again, to what extent, what methodology
you use, what's the best way to go at it is right here also in
the Book. The Bible says it's a promise of God that covers
everything regarding life or godliness, including dealing
with the poor. So that should, I think, also be upon our--our
radar. Praise God. Amen. GEORGE: Okay. Before you go to the
next-- KEITH: Okay. GEORGE: --issue, if you would, tell that
story that you told me, the gas station. KEITH: Which one?
GEORGE: Ha-ha-ha. Were there a number of them? KEITH: Oh, with
me? GEORGE: With you, yeah. KEITH: Oh, okay. All right.
Well, there was a--I was--now, I'll also say this, give some
background to this, because it was 1:00 a.m. in the morning.
GEORGE: Right, yes, yes. KEITH: Okay? And I don't suggest you
get gas at 1:00 a.m. in the morning, I don't care anywhere.
GEORGE: Yeah, okay. KEITH: Okay? I was driving a new car at the
time. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: So I did pull up at--at the gas
station. I really don't want to say too much about this. But I
pulled up at the gas station to get gas, and I did see a car on
the other side pull up. And I see there's two guys in it.
Well, I pay attention to my surroundings, okay? So I see
them out of my peripheral vision, and I see an individual
gets out and start heading my way. Now, there was nobody out
there. There wasn't a soul out there. Was nobody out there, you
know, except maybe the guy in the gas station. BUDDY: Sure.
KEITH: And this guy's coming, advancing towards me. And
he's--you know, he's coming. "Hey, man, such and such and
such." I know exactly what's up. I mean, I do have a little bit
of background training. I knew what was up. And so when he got
close enough to me--because I knew this was a carjacking. And
when he got close enough to me, I just kind of--to let him know
what was going to be the end result of this attempt. And I
just put it that way. And he got the message in a hurry. Erkk!
(Laughter) And made a hasty retreat, et cetera. Well, I'll
just put it like this: I'm not going to be a victim. And
sometimes we miss God. Now, I have been in a situation where
my life has been spared multiple times. And most times, it has
been the Lord told me about something, and so I wasn't there
so it didn't happen. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: But we're all
human. Sometimes we miss God, don't hear the Spirit of God,
get distracted, okay? And we have to then have another
methodology or way, if we miss all that, that could still
potentially save our life. I obviously missed hearing from
the Lord that day. But I did have preparations. GEORGE: You
were ready. Well, let me ask you this. We've got about three
minutes left. Instead of going on to the next issue, we can
pick up that tomorrow. But let me ask you this: With all of the
gun situations that go on in our nation and then with each and
every one, there is--there is this--we continually revisit the
whole gun issue. How do you deal with that? How do you answer
that? What do you say to your congregation, or what--what do
you see-- KEITH: Well, my congregation knows where I stand
on this so... (Laughs) GEORGE: Right. KEITH: --at least the
vast majority. They may not all agree with me, but they know--
GEORGE: How do you answer--how do you answer those who are--who
are coming down on self-defense and the use of--of handling of a
gun? How do you--how do you say--how do you deal with that?
KEITH: Well, from the Bible and the writings of John Locke, you
have the Constitution of the United States. The framers of
our Constitution were very wise in setting up this Constitution
of the Republic. And the Second Amendment to the Constitution is
not by an accident. One of the arguments against it is that,
"Well, the Founding Fathers never thought we'd have such
lethal weapons," this quote, unquote, assault weapons, which
there's no--no such thing that civilians have. But--but assault
weapons and all of that. Well, come on, folks. I mean, the--the
framers of the Constitution knew that there would be an evolution
of weapons. There were evolutions of the type of
weapons while they were alive-- BUDDY: That's right. KEITH:
--during the revolution. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: And the--the Second
Amendment's purpose is particularly twofold. A, the
people there understood that a tyrannical government, Britain
at the time, was forcing themselves against them. And the
only way that they could throw off this tyranny was that
they--the civilian population had to be able to have arms to
do so. That's the first reason for the Second Amendment. And
people don't really understand that anymore. But that's the
reason for it. You could have government become such that it
has to be overthrown. And the first thing every dictator does
is take weapons, number one. GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: Second
reason is for your own self-defense, okay? GEORGE:
Yeah. KEITH: The Second Amendment also protects the
First Amendment, okay? Free speech-- BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH:
--freedom of religion, so forth and so on, all those. If you
lose the Second Amendment, there is nothing to keep--keep them
from shutting your mouth and not allowing you to speak. GEORGE:
Mm-hmm. KEITH: Okay. This issue is far larger than your own
personal protection. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: See? So I do walk
them through that. GEORGE: Okay, okay. KEITH: Et cetera. And then
finally, the things we've been seeing, like the repeated
shootings that happen in schools and all this, the failure of
government to protect citizens--and the first job of
government-- GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: --is the protection of
its citizens. BUDDY: Okay. KEITH: This--this thing about
the FBI not taking care of business, sheriffs office not
taking care of business, school administrator not taking care of
business, knowing you've got sick individuals who have access
to weapons and not dealing with it. The gun didn't do anything.
The people did. GEORGE: The people did it, yep. 30 seconds.
What have you got? BUDDY: It's wonderful. I mean, I tell you,
there's just a plethora of topics here to go on. GEORGE:
Yeah. BUDDY: And these broadcasts go by so fast--
GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: --I'm looking forward to tomorrow. I
hope you come back tomorrow. GEORGE: Yeah, absolutely. Thank
you, Bishop, for that. That really--that really, really has
helped us. You know, it is our responsibility to vote, and
that's what we're going to do. Listen, we'll be right back with
you. You stay with us. What a time we are having here.
ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed today's teaching from Kenneth
Copeland Ministries. And remember Jesus is Lord.
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