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Hi.

Welcome to engVid.

I'm Adam.

In today's lesson I want to teach you eight idioms that come from education.

Actually, I have 10 of them, a couple of them are just expressions, though, so I can add

them to the other ones.

Eight idioms.

All of these come from education, but now we use them to talk about other things that

might not be related to education at all.

Okay?

So, as you know, idioms are groups of words, they're expressions whose individual words,

when they're put together might not mean the exact same thing as the words themselves.

They can have completely unrelated meanings, and we're going to see some examples of these.

So we're going...

We have a lot of ground to cover, so we're going to go slowly but surely through it all.

So, what does it mean "to cover a lot of ground" or "have a lot of ground to cover"?

It means to have a lot of material or a lot of information to get through, and understand,

and make sure everybody gets.

Right?

When we cover a lot of ground, technically it comes from the ground, and you cover ground

means you move, you travel.

But we use "ground" as information, and "cover" means go over.

So: "cover a lot of ground", get through a lot of information.

Also, we "can't teach an old dog new tricks".

So what does it mean, you can't teach an old dogs a new trick?

So imagine your grandfather, okay?

You are moving to another country because you're studying English, you want to immigrate

to another country.

You get to that country and you want to continue speaking with your grandfather in your home country.

So you're trying to teach him Skype or you're trying to teach him, like, a mobile app, messenger, whatever.

But your grandfather is trying, trying, trying, he just doesn't get it.

And then finally he says: "You know what?

I don't care.

We'll call each other on the telephone once in a while."

So finally you give up, you say: "You know what?

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

We'll just call on the phone."

It means as people get older, it's very difficult to change their habits.

Okay?

We're not calling old people old dogs, it's just an expression, but basically old people

don't change habits very easily.

You can't teach them, so that's where the education comes in.

Now, something or someone is "old school" or he or she belongs to an "old school of

thought" or to a particular school of thought.

So, if somebody is old school, he or she likes something that is a little bit old-fashioned,

likes to do something a little bit old-fashioned, something that's probably outdated, not modern.

Okay?

Now, it doesn't have to be about a person.

It could be a thing.

So, for example, if you...

For example, if you go to Cuba...

Okay.

Cuba has a lot of old cars from the 1950s. Okay?

Like Chevys, and Fords, and whatnot.

We can say: "Oh, wow, that's a really old-school car."

It has the old engines, nothing computerized.

It's all carburetor and all kinds of pipes all over the place.

It's very old school.

It's very cool, but it's not modern. Okay?

So it's something that's old school.

When we talk about a school of thought, it means it's a particular way of viewing something

or thinking about something.

We especially use it to talk about, like, philosophy.

Okay?

But even in science there are certain scientists who basically subscribe to this particular

school of thought.

So, we use the word "subscribe", means they believe in doing it this way.

Other scientists subscribe to this school of thought.

So, the...

There was a scientist who said: "This is the way we should do it."

There was another scientist who said: "This is the way we should do it."

All the people who follow this way created a school or a viewpoint, they created their

own viewpoint.

So different schools of thought.

So, if we're talking about how to discipline children, okay?

Some people like to sit their children down and talk, talk, talk for hours to try to teach

them something. Other...

In other cultures they just slap them on the bum, the kid understands, never does it again.

The slapping thing is a little bit old school, we don't really do that anymore, but it comes

from an old school of thought where punishment creates discipline.

That's...

I'm not getting involved in the actual question, that's up to you.

I'm just telling you the expressions.

"Learn the ropes".

Okay?

So, if somebody needs to learn the ropes, they need to learn how to do something.

So when you join a company for the first time, at the beginning you don't know where the

copy machine is, you don't know where the fax machine is, you don't know how to do things

around the office, so at the beginning you have to learn the ropes, learn how everything

works, and then you become adjusted.

I think it actually comes from sailing, I'm not sure.

All kinds of different ropes you need to learn how to use them to sail your boat, but basically

it means adjust to a new situation, get to know it, move on.

Now, if you're going to "teach someone a lesson", it means you're going to punish them.

Okay?

"I'm going to teach you a lesson you won't forget."

Right?

So somebody did something bad to me, and I want to get revenge, I want to teach them

a lesson.

I want to punish them so they understand that what they did to me was bad and I'm going

to do something worse for them.

Now, the other side: "to learn a lesson".

Of course, you go to school, your teacher teaches you and you learn the lessons, but

when we say: "Oh yeah, I really learned a lesson from that experience", it means you

went through a bad experience, usually, and you learned from it so you will not repeat

it again.

So it's not necessarily punishment, but it was a bad experience that you will avoid.

To teach someone, somebody did something bad to you and you will get revenge, you will

punish them for it.

"To school someone", now, realistically you can interpret this as to teach someone something.

Right?

To school someone in etiquette, means to teach them etiquette or to teach them behaviour, etc.

These days it's used as a slang term, it means to embarrass somebody.

So if I'm playing basketball with a friend of mine and, you know, I'm trying to do all

these things and then suddenly he just steals the ball and he goes and does a 360 slam dunk,

he schooled me.

He showed me how real basketball players play and I am nothing.

So he embarrassed me, he schooled me in basketball or any situation.

Okay?

"'A' for effort", good job, nice try, but sorry, you're not hired.

You failed.

You didn't do the work properly.

So if somebody says: "You get an 'A' for effort", it means: "I really appreciate that you tried

so hard, but it's not very good.

You didn't really succeed. Sorry. Bye." Right?

"A" for effort, "B" or "C" or "D" or "F" for actual accomplishment.

Now, "to make the grade".

If somebody makes the grade, it means they reached a certain quality or a certain level.

Right?

So, if you think about the army and you...

I'm sure all of you have seen enough Hollywood movies that you know what Navy Seals are.

So, Navy Seals are, like, Special Forces, they're very tough, very strong, very hardworking soldiers.

Not everybody can be a Navy Seal.

Many soldiers try, but only a few make the grade.

They reach that level of ability that they can join the Navy Seals.

Right?

So, "make the grade" also comes from school.

To get into university, you need a 3.4 GPA, for example.

If you don't make that grade, 3.4, you don't get into university.

But now we use this expression for all kinds of things about reaching a certain minimal

level quality, ability, etc.

So, if you have any questions about these, please go to www.engvid.com and ask me in

the forum there.

There's also a quiz you can take to practice your understanding of these idioms.

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Episode 1204 | Parent in Education Lawsuit Shares What She Wants to See Change - Duration: 17:55.

>> EDUCATION IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IN NEW MEXICO, BUT

BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT LAWMAKERS AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS

MIGHT DO TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES RAISED IN A LAWSUIT, WE WANTED

TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE.

WILHEMENA YAZZIE IS A PARENT AND PLAINTIFF IN YAZZIE VS

STATE OF NEW MEXICO.

THANKS FOR STOPPING BY.

>> DEFINITELY.

>> PRESTON SANCHEZ IS AN ATTORNEY AT NEW MEXICO CENTER

OF LAW AND POVERTY.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> I WANT TO START WITH YOU, YOUR SON WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL

IF GALLUP WHEN THE LAWSUIT STARTED.

WHAT CONCERNS DID YOU HAVE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION

HE WAS RECEIVING?

>> WELL ACTUALLY, MY SON WAS IN ELEMENTARY FIFTH GRADE WHEN

IT STARTED.

>> THAT FAR BACK.

>> YEAH, AS A CONCERNED PARENT, MY CHILD AT THE TIME,

I FELT LIKE HE WASN'T RECEIVING ADEQUATE AND

SUFFICIENT RESOURCES THAT HE NEEDED IN ORDER FOR HIM TO BE

SUCCESSFUL AND ESPECIALLY GOING INTO MID SCHOOL AND ON

TO HIGH SCHOOL I WANTED HIM TO BE, YOU KNOW, COLLEGE READY,

BE PREPARED FOR LIFE OUTSIDE, WHEN HE GETS OLDER.

AS A NATIVE AMERICAN WOMAN, A NAVAJO, WE CONSIDER OUR

CHILDREN SACRED AND THAT IS ONE OF OUR PRIMARY

RESPONSIBILITIES TO OUR CHILDREN THAT WE MAKE SURE WE

TEACH THEM THE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, PRINCIPLES OF LIFE AND

ALSO TO PROTECT THEM.

THAT IS OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES FOR OUR

CHILDREN AND THAT IS WHY I HAD SOME CONCERNS WITHIN THE

SCHOOLS THAT HE WAS ATTENDING, TO MAKE SURE WE ENSURED THAT

HE RECEIVED THE QUALITY EDUCATION THAT HE WAS ENTITLED

TO.

>> WERE YOU CONCERNED EVEN IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT HE WAS

FALLING BEHIND?

>> ACTUALLY, MY SON WAS ACTUALLY DOING VERY WELL.

HE WAS GETTING GOOD GRADES AND DOING VERY WELL BUT THEN WHEN

IT CAME TO TESTING, HE FELL BELOW THE PASSING GRADE LEVEL

AND THAT WAS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE

HE WAS DOING GOOD BUT WHEN IT CAME TO TESTING HE WASN'T

DOING SO GOOD AND HE WASN'T LIKE WHERE HE IS SUPPOSED TO

BE AT, SO THAT RIGHT THERE WAS A BIG FLAG FOR ME IN THINKING,

OKAY, WELL, WHAT IS IT THAT HE NEEDS IN ORDER FOR HIM TO GET

PAST THE TESTINGS.

SO, FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST MORE RESOURCES THAT

HE'LL NEED AND ALSO WITH OUR CULTURAL, WITH THE CULTURAL

RELEVANT LEARNING ENVIRONMENT THAT HE NEEDS AND THE LANGUAGE

THAT WE SPEAK AT HOME, OF COURSE, AND THOSE KINDS OF

BARRIERS THAT HE NEEDS TO BE ASSISTED WITH, I GUESS.

>> DID YOU FEEL HEARD WHEN YOU WENT TO SCHOOL TO TALK ABOUT

YOUR SON'S EDUCATION?

>> SEVERAL TIMES I HAVE GONE TO THE PARENT TEACHER

CONFERENCES.

THIS WAS ONE THING I ALWAYS WANTED TO GO TO, TO MAKE SURE

THAT MY SON WAS DOING WHAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING,

BEHAVIOR WISE AND EDUCATIONAL ACADEMIC, THAT HE WAS PASSING,

DOING WHAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND SO FORTH.

AT ONE POINT, YOU KNOW, MY SON WAS DOING VERY GOOD, GETTING

GOOD GRADES, HONOR ROLE, I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED THAT HE

WASN'T PLACED IN LIKE MORE ADVANCED CLASSES.

SO, I BROUGHT THAT UP TO ONE OF THE COUNSELORS, YOU KNOW,

HOW DOES A CHILD OR A STUDENT, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE HOW THEY

GET IN ADVANCED CLASS?

I DIDN'T REALLY GET ANY ANSWERS.

IT WAS JUST BASICALLY, WELL WE LOOK AT YOUR CHILD'S GRADES

AND THE TESTING AND IT WAS A BIT CONFUSING FOR ME BUT I

KIND OF LEFT IT AT THAT AND THOUGHT XAVIER, DO YOUR BEST

ANYWAY, JUST KEEP DOING YOUR BEST.

AND OTHER CONCERNS THAT I HAD WAS LIKE TEXTBOOKS.

HE WASN'T ABLE TO BRING ANY TEXTBOOKS HOME FROM SCHOOL TO

DO HOMEWORK AND OF COURSE, THEY ALWAYS HAD HOMEWORK AND

HE SHARED TEXTBOOKS, SOMETIMES, SOME OF THE

INSTRUCTORS OR TEACHERS WAS NICE ENOUGH TO MAKE A COPY,

MAYBE ON THEIR OWN, OF CERTAIN SECTIONS THEY ARE COVERING SO

THAT WAS HELPFUL.

OTHER THINGS I SAW WAS MAYBE TECHNOLOGY, LIMITED

TECHNOLOGY, AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR MY SON.

IT IS ACTUALLY FOR OTHER CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY AND

THE STATE AND NATION, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE

GOING TO SCHOOL IN THE RURAL AREAS.

WE HAVE VERY LIMITED ACCESS TO A LOT OF THE RESOURCES THAT MY

SON HAD AND YOU KNOW THE BIGGER TOWNS, THAT WAS

SOMETHING, I HAVE FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND CHILDREN THAT GO

TO THESE RURAL AREA SCHOOLS AND SAME THING, LIMITED

TEXTBOOKS, MATERIALS, AND THEN WITH THE TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW,

IMPROVING AND ALL THAT, THEY HAVE LIMITED ACCESS TO WIFI,

SUCH THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERNS

THAT I HAD WITH XAVIER AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WAS JUST

BASICALLY MAKING SURE THAT HE IS PREPARED WHEN HE GETS AT

THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT HE HOPEFULLY GRADUATES BECAUSE,

YOU KNOW, WITH THIS TESTING, WITH HIM GOING BELOW THE GRADE

LEVEL, IT'S A BIT CONCERNING AND I WANT HIM TO PASS, YOU

KNOW, AND TO GRADUATE AND I WANT HIM TO GET TO COLLEGE AND

MY SON HAS DREAMS, YOU KNOW, HE HAS BIG DREAMS.

HE WANTS TO GO TO A BIG COLLEGE.

HE WANTS A CAREER, HE WANTS TO DO THIS AND THAT AND I THINK

WITHIN OUR CULTURE EDUCATION IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING SO

THAT IS PRETTY MUCH -- >> WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO

MAKE THAT LEAP INTO BEING PART OF THIS LAWSUIT?

>> SO, THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD ORIGINALLY AND OF

COURSE EVERY OTHER CHILD IN THE STATE AND OUR COMMUNITY

AND ESPECIALLY WITH US WITHIN THE NATIVE AMERICAN, ANOTHER

THING THAT PUSHED ME WAS MY MOM WAS AN EDUCATOR FOR 30

PLUS YEARS.

SHE WAS A TEACHER AND EDUCATION WAS ONE OF THE MOST

IMPORTANT THINGS IN OUR FAMILY AND SHE ALWAYS PUSHED US,

SIBLINGS, TO GO GET TO SCHOOL, GET YOUR EDUCATION AND DURING

MY SCHOOL YEARS, WE WERE VERY LIMITED.

YOU KNOW.

I EXPERIENCED THAT AND I KNOW HOW THAT IS AND SO EDUCATION

IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT.

ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR CULTURE AND OUR

HISTORY, ONE OF THE GREAT WARRIORS, CHIEF BACK, THEN DID

A QUOTE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS PRECISELY RIGHT, BUT SAID

MY GRANDCHILDREN, GO OUT AND CLIMB THE LADDER OF EDUCATION,

GO SUCCEED SO YOU CAN COME BACK AND HELP OUR PEOPLE AND

HELP OUR NATION.

AND THAT WAS ONE THING WAS SET IN OUR FAMILY, WAS EDUCATION

WAS VERY IMPORTANT.

SO, THAT IS WHY I BECAME A PLAINTIFF IN THIS SUIT JUST

PRIMARILY THE REASON THAT MY SON DESERVED THE QUALITY

EDUCATION THAT HE NEEDS IN ORDER TO SUCCEED.

>> TO REACH THE DREAMS HE HAS FOR THEMSELVES.

>> PRESTON, THIS IS TWO COMBINED LAWSUITS THAT THE

JUDGE RULED ON INCLUDING NATIVE AMERICAN STUDENTS AND

ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS, ENGLISH LANGUAGE

LEARNERS, STUDENTS WITH DISABILITIES.

THAT SEEMS VERY BROAD.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN PUTTING UP A LAWSUIT LIKE?

WAS THAT A CHALLENGE, AN ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE, TO HAVE

IT INCLUDE SO MANY STUDENTS.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, SO THE TAKE THAT WE HAVE IS, OUR POSITION

IN THIS CASE IS THAT ALL STUDENTS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO

LEARN, ALL STUDENTS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO LEARN AND IT IS

JUST AS GREAT IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL AS OTHER STATES AND

OTHER NATIONS, AND SO THE THING THAT IS HAPPENING HERE

IN NEW MEXICO, THOUGH, IS THAT WE ARE STARVED FOR RESOURCES

OF EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO SUCCEED ACADEMICALLY AS

WILHEMENA HAS DESCRIBED.

AND SO, PUTTING TOGETHER THIS CASE MEANT THAT WE HAD TO SORT

OF THINK ABOUT THE NEEDS OF ALL STUDENTS AND THE

STUDENTS -- STUDENTS HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS.

ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNER STUDENTS HAVE NEEDS WHEN IT

COMES TO ENGLISH LANGUAGE ACQUISITION PROGRAMS.

ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS TEND TO HAVE NEEDS

AROUND SOCIO-EMOTIONAL CAREER COUNSELING KIND OF NEEDS AND

THEN AMERICAN INDIAN STUDENTS, AS WELL, SHARE A HISTORY OF

DISCRIMINATION BY EDUCATION SYSTEMS THAT HAS TO BE

ADDRESSED THROUGH THE EDUCATION SYSTEM TODAY.

AND SO WE SOUGHT TO SORT OF CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE NEEDS AS

WELL AS JUST THE GENERAL NEEDS OF PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN

NEW MEXICO.

>> WILHEMENA MENTIONED A LACK OF TEXTBOOKS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS PART OF THIS LAWSUIT IS JUST THE

ACTUAL MATERIALS THAT THE STATE NEEDS TO PROVIDE FOR

FUNDING FOR TEXTBOOKS, FOR TECHNOLOGY, FOR COMPUTERS,

THINGS LIKE THAT CORRECT.

>> CORRECT.

>> WHAT ABOUT CULTURE IN THE CLASSROOM.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT HERE ON NEW MEXICO INFOCUS, THE NEED

TO BETTER INCORPORATE CULTURE IN THE CLASSROOM FOR STUDENTS.

HOW DOES THE LAWSUIT SPEAK TO THAT?

>> GOOD QUESTION, SO, THE CASE -- THE COURT IN ITS

OPINION HAS STATED SPECIFICALLY FOR AMERICAN

INDIAN STUDENTS THAT COMPLIANCE WITH NEW MEXICO

INDIAN EDUCATION ACT IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT.

A VIOLATION OF THE NEW MEXICO INDIAN EDUCATION ACT IS A

VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL CLAUSE.

THAT IS HUGE FOR NEW MEXICO STUDENTS, HUGE FOR NATIVE

AMERICAN STUDENTS, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAW ITSELF, IT

REQUIRES CONSTITUTION -- IT REQUIRES CULTURALLY RELEVANT

AND CULTURALLY RESPONSIVE EDUCATION, SPECIFICALLY, FOR

THE DISTRICTS THAT SERVE HIGHEST POPULATIONS OF

AMERICAN INDIAN STUDENTS.

SO, THAT IS ONE ELEMENT OF THIS CASE IS COMPLIANCE WITH

THAT LAW BUT THE COURT ALSO ADDRESSES ITS OPINION TO THE

HISPANIC EDUCATIONAL ACT, BILINGUAL MULTICULTURAL ACT.

THESE ARE ALL LAWS THAT PROVIDE GOALS FOR STUDENTS IN

TERMS OF WHAT THEY SHOULD ACHIEVE ACADEMICALLY AND WHAT

THEY SHOULD BE ACHIEVING CULTURALLY AND THESE ARE NOW A

PART OF THIS EQUATION.

AND SO WE SEEK TO ENSURE THAT THESE LAWS ARE BEING COMPLIED

WITH.

>> THAT IS A VERY BIG PICTURE.

IN THE CLASSROOM DOES THAT MEAN LANGUAGE CLASSES, DOES

THAT MEAN OUTREACH TO PARENTS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE HEARD OF

SCHOOLS HIRING NATIVE PEOPLE TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH PARENTS

AND FAMILIES AND MAKE SURE THEY FEEL INCLUDED IN THE

EDUCATION PROCESS.

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?

>> GENERALLY, THAT IS ALL TRUE, YES, IT REQUIRES ALL OF

THOSE THINGS.

WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MORE NITTY-GRITTY DETAILS IT

REQUIRES A LOT OF COLLABORATION WITH TRIBES.

THE 22 TRIBAL NATIONS IN NEW MEXICO HAVE A VOICE AND THAT

VOICE HAS TO BE HEARD AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE STATE

OF NEW MEXICO IS WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC EDUCATION

DEPARTMENT AND BY THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO, I MEAN THE

LEGISLATIVE BODY.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO, PED, AND SCHOOL

DISTRICTS COLLABORATE WITH THE TRIBAL LEADERSHIP AND TRIBAL

COMMUNITIES TO ENSURE THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE PROVIDED,

CULTURALLY RELEVANT LEARNING MATERIALS, CULTURALLY RELEVANT

EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, BOOKS THAT FOCUS ON THE

HISTORICAL CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY SOUTHWEST INDIANS TO THE

U.S. THESE ARE THINGS THAT SEEM

BASIC THAT BUT ARE LEFT OUT OF THE EQUATION FOR FAR TOO LONG.

>> WHAT ARE SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO

SEE IN THE CLASSROOM THAT SPEAK TO CULTURAL RELEVANCE?

>> I LIKE ALL THE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST A DIVERSE

COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WHERE I AM FROM, AND WE HAVE THE RURAL

AREAS OUT ON THE RESERVATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CHANGE OF MAYBE MORE RESOURCES

GIVEN TO OUR STUDENTS AND ALSO WE CAN'T FORGET OUR TEACHERS.

.THEY ARE THERE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN WHILE WE ARE NOT

THERE AS PARENTS AND THEY DESERVE A LOT MORE SUPPORT.

I FEEL LIKE THEY DO DESERVE MORE SUPPORT AND MORE

TRAINING, SO THAT WAY THEY CAN GIVE OUR CHILDREN WHAT THEY

DESERVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD EDUCATION, GET THEM PREPARED.

THAT IS ONE THING, YOU KNOW, THAT MY SON HAS DREAMS AND HE

WANTS TO BE THIS, WANTS TO DO THAT, WANTS TO GO TO A BIG

COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, AND I AM THINKING, HERE, LIKE, WELL, I

AM PREPARING HIM FROM A PARENT VIEW BUT I WOULD LIKE HIM TO

BE PREPARED ACADEMICALLY AS WELL, KNOWING HE IS ABLE TO

SUCCEED, WHERE HE CAN HAVE FAITH IN HIMSELF, YOU KNOW,

AND STRIVE TO DO BEST -- TO DO THE BEST, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE

TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST MORE RESOURCES, GIVEN TO OUR PUBLIC

SCHOOLS, TO OUR CHILDREN, TO OUR EDUCATORS, OUR TEACHERS.

>> WILL IT BE MEANINGFUL FOR YOU TO SEE A NAVAJO CULTURE

AND HISTORY INCORPORATED INTO THE CLASSROOM TO GO ALONGSIDE

THE OTHER THINGS LIKE STUDENTS LIKE YOUR SON ARE LEARNING.

>> DEFINITELY.

THAT IS ONE THING IMPORTANT FOR CHILDREN ESPECIALLY IN THE

NATIVE AMERICAN VIEW TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY COME

FROM, HOW THEY STAND WITHIN THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR NATION.

THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US.

I ALWAYS TELL MY CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP LEARNING

NAVAJO AND THEN I LEARNED ENGLISH AS I GOT TO SCHOOL SO

I AM ALWAYS TEACHING MY CHILDREN THEIR LANGUAGE.

MY OF SON FAVORS NAVAJO AND MY PARTNER IS LAKOTA AND NOW WE

HAVE TO TEACH LAKOTA.

WE NEED TO TEACH.

I DO MY BEST TO TEACH MY CHILDREN THE NAVAJO LANGUAGE

AND, YOU KNOW, AS I GO BACK, MY MOTHER WAS AN EDUCATOR AND

SHE WAS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT WOULD REALLY HAVE TAUGHT MY

CHILDREN.

SHE IS GONE NOW.

BUT SHE LEFT A LEGACY OF BEING A TEACHER, EDUCATION, ALL

THAT, SO, YEAH, SO THAT IS WHY I LIKE TO SEE MORE CULTURAL,

YOU KNOW, RELEVANT MATERIALS IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.

>> YEAH, PRESTON, WHAT OTHER KEY POINTS IN THE JUDGE'S

RULING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF AS WE WATCH THIS

UNFOLD IN THE COMING MONTHS?

>> SO, I THINK WHAT THE COURT HAS SAID ESSENTIALLY IS THAT

SUFFICIENT EDUCATION, A SUFFICIENT EDUCATION IS A

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND THEREFORE SUFFICIENT FUNDING

IS A PRIORITY AND SO, THEREFORE, WE CAN'T SORT OF

NEGLECT THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT NEED TO BE

INCORPORATED INTO PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO FULLY EFFECTUATE

WHAT THE ORDER HAS REQUIRED OF NEW MEXICO.

SOME WOULD ASK, WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM, WHAT

DO WE DO ABOUT THIS?

WHAT THE COURT HAS SAID IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT -- I AM

SORRY, A SUFFICIENT EDUCATION IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND

BECAUSE IT DESERVES PRIORITY FUNDING, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE

THE KIND OF FUNDS SO THAT IT DOESN'T DEPRIVE STUDENTS OF A

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT CIRCULAR BUT WHAT THE COURT

HAS OFFERED IS SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT COULD GIVE THE

LEGISLATURE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND THINK ABOUT AND SHE

GAVE 11 SORT OF DIFFERENT SOURCES OF REVENUE THE STATE

CAN SORT OF CONSIDER IN TERMS OF HOW IT WILL SUFFICIENTLY

EDUCATE STUDENTS AND WHAT IT WILL DUMP INTO THE PUBLIC

SCHOOL SYSTEM TO ENSURE STUDENTS ARE NOW PREPARED TO

BE COLLEGE AND CAREER READY.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT BE DEBATING THE DEFINITION OF

SUFFICIENT FOR A WHILE.

THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THAT.

>> DEBATING?

>> YEAH, SOME PARENTS MIGHT SAY, SUFFICIENT TO ME, LIKE

THEY MIGHT HAVE IDEAS ABOUT WHAT SUFFICIENT LOOKS LIKE,

AND THERE MAY BE DISCUSSION ABOUT, IF THE STATE COMES BACK

WITH A PLAN AND DO PARENTS FEEL LIKE THAT IS ACTUALLY

MEETING WHAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR KIDS.

>> THE COURT HAS PLACED IN ITS ORDERS LANGUAGE THAT WOULD

REQUIRE MONITORING, MONITORING OF THE PUBLIC EDUCATION

DEPARTMENT AND THE STATE'S EFFORTS TO ENSURE THAT

STUDENTS ARE BEING PROVIDED A CONSTITUTIONAL EDUCATION.

THAT MONITORING BY THE JUDGE WOULD HAPPEN IN SORT OF A

TIMETABLE AND SO THE JUDGE WOULD REQUIRE THE STATE-WIDE

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO TO DEVELOP

THAT PLAN, PASS IT TO THE JUDGE, MAKE SURE SHE IS FINE

WITH IT AND THEN ALLOW IT TO SORT OF -- TO BE IMPLEMENTED

AND MONITORED OVER TIME TO ENSURE THE SUFFICIENT

EDUCATION IS BEING MAINTAINED.

>> OKAY.

WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT AS IT DEVELOPS.

>> WILHEMENA, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD.

WHAT CHANGES -- I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THESE HOPES FOR ALL

CHILDREN IN NEW MEXICO, INCLUDING YOUR OWN CHILDREN,

BUT WHAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL FOR YOU WHEN THINGS ARE

DIFFERENT.

>> THAT IS GOING TO MAKE ME FEEL GOOD, KNOWING THAT MY

CHILD CAN GO ONTO COLLEGE, BE COLLEGE READY AND GO ON TO

LIFE AND LEAD AND COME BACK AND HELP OUR PEOPLE AND EVEN

THE STATE.

MY SON DESERVES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CHILD IN THE NATION,

QUALITY EDUCATION, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED AND

THAT IS BASICALLY JUST WHAT WE WANT IS JUST THAT OUR CHILD --

THAT OUR CHILDREN GET THE HELP THEY NEED, NO MATTER WHAT

THEIR BACKGROUND IS.

>> DO YOU THINK IF PARENTS HAVE A MORE OF A CHANCE TO

WEIGH IN ON THE ISSUES AND WHAT CHANGES WOULD LOOK LIKE

IT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL?

>> I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.

I MEAN, WITH NATIVE AMERICANS, I THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, VOICE

OUR CONCERNS, GO TO THE SCHOOLS, GO TO PARENT TEACHERS

CONFERENCES, ALL THAT STUFF, I THINK IT WILL WORK.

IF WE WORK TOGETHER, IT WILL AND THINGS HAPPEN WHEN WE WORK

TOGETHER.

>> THAT IS TRUE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING BY THIS WEEK AND TALKING ABOUT

THE LAWSUIT AND SHARING YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

WE'LL KEEP WATCHING THIS AND REPORTING IT ON NEW MEXICO

INFOCUS.

>> THANK YOU.

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>> WELCOME TO THE LINE.

WE JUST HEARD JUDGE SARAH SINGLETON RULED THAT NEW

MEXICO IS NOT ADEQUATELY FUNDING SCHOOLS AND MEETING

NEEDS OF ALL STUDENTS.

THIS WEEK'S LINE PANELISTS ARE READY TO GIVE THEIR TAKE ON

THE RULING AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WHEN A NEW GOVERNOR

TAKES OFFICE IN JANUARY.

I AM JOINED BY MERRITT ALLEN, OF VOX OPTIMA, LLC.

DAN MCKAY, HE'S A REPORTER WITH ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL.

ANDY LYMAN IS WITH US, NEW MEXICO POLITICAL REPORT.

AND NEW DIRECTOR OF STATE OPERATIONS FOR COMMON CAUSE,

VIKI HARRISON.

CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> HEATHER FERGUSON IS GOING TO DO AN AWESOME JOB.

>> GOOD FOR YOU.

>> START WITH YOU VIKI.

THIS RULING IS GOING TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT

EDUCATION IN NEW MEXICO.

I AM GUESSING IT IS GOING TO BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF

THINGS WE HAVE TO PARSE THROUGH.

SIMPLY STARTING THERE, IS THIS THE THING THAT HAS JUDGE

SINGLETON JUST LAID ON US THE ROAD MAP THAT WILL UNCORK

MONEY, A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE?

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?

>> I THINK SHE DIDN'T UNLEASH A ROAD MAP BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T

TELL US WHAT TO DO, SPECIFICALLY, TO GET THERE.

AND BY GETTING THERE, I MEAN GETTING OUR SCHOOLS IN A

BETTER PLACE WHERE OUR STUDENTS ARE GETTING BETTER

EDUCATION.

I MEAN THIS WAS A HUGE LAWSUIT.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO CHANGE THINGS.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EDUCATION.

I HAVE BEEN LOBBYING IN SANTA FE FOR 25 YEARS.

I DON'T REMEMBER A SINGLE SESSION WHERE EDUCATION WAS

NOT ONE OF THE PRIORITIES.

I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE STATISTICS AROUND THE

NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN POVERTY IN THIS STATE, I DON'T THINK

PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH.

71%.

IT IS HUGE.

AND THEN WE HAVE GOT OUR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES,

OUR NATIVE AMERICAN STUDENTS, WE HAVE GOT STUDENTS WHO ARE

LEARNING ENGLISH AND ADD ALL THAT IN AND I THINK BACK TO MY

GRANDMA WHO WAS A SCHOOLTEACHER AND SHE DIDN'T

HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES AND THINGS

THAT PEOPLE NEED.

I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FLOATED

AROUND HAVING REAL SERVICES FOR STUDENTS, AFTER SCHOOL

PROGRAMS, BEFORE SCHOOL PROGRAMS, MAKING SURE -- I

MEAN, WE HAVE DONE SO MUCH TO MAKE SURE OUR KIDS ARE FED,

LET'S MAKE SURE THEY REALLY ARE FED THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

LET'S TALK ABOUT YEAR ROUND SCHOOL.

I AM NOT A PARENT BUT IF I WERE A PARENT, I CANNOT

IMAGINE HOW YOU DO IT BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE SUMMER?

YOU SUDDENLY HAVE A NEW EXPENSE, SOMETHING HAPPENS,

THERE IS TEACHERS -- I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT AND

THE NEW GOVERNOR, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PRIORITY

WHICH IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING BECAUSE WITH A NEW

GOVERNOR THERE IS ALREADY 40 OTHER PRIORITIES THAT

LEGISLATORS ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR OUR 60-DAY SESSION.

AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN MORE THAN FIVE PRIORITIES POSSIBLY

MAKE IT THROUGH.

>> TOUCH ON WHAT VIK JUST MENTIONED.

SHE MENTIONED 76% LOW INCOME, 14% ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNERS,

15% WITH DISABILITIES, 11% NATIVE AMERICANS.

THERE IS A QUESTION HERE.

THAT IS ROUGHLY, WHEN YOU LUMP IT ALTOGETHER, THAT IS 3/4 OF

OUR STUDENTS.

SO WHAT IS SEEMINGLY COMING DOWN THE PIKE FROM JUDGE

SINGLETON, YOU'RE TALKING A FAIRLY GOOD FINANCIAL NUT TO

TURN THIS AROUND OR GET STUFF IN MOTION.

LET'S START TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

IS THE LEGISLATURE -- IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO BE TALKING

ABOUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?

OUR ECONOMY IS DOING BETTER.

YOUR SENSE OF THE UPCOMING CONVERSATION.

>> THERE IS PROBABLY NEVER REALLY A GOOD TIME FOR THE

LEGISLATURE TO TAKE ON A NEW EXPENSE BUT IT CERTAINLY IS

BETTER NOW THAN TWO YEARS AGO, WE ARE COMING OFF AN ENORMOUS

FINANCIAL CRUNCH, DAMAGED CREDIT RATING AND DEPLETED

RESERVES.

THINGS HAVE TURNED AROUND FINANCIALLY SO THERE IS MORE

BREATHING ROOM.

ONE OF THE BIG FEARS THAT LEGISLATORS HAVE IS REVENUE IS

SO VOLATILE THAT IF THEY MAKE A COMMITMENT TO EXPANDED

ONGOING EXPENSES THEN THEY HAVE TO CARRY THEM THROUGH

FUTURE YEARS EVEN IF OIL AND GAS ISN'T BRINGING IN SAME

AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO, COULD BE THEY'LL SEARCH FOR DIFFERENT KIND OF REVENUE

SOURCES, TAX REFORM, CHANGING WHERE THE STATE GETS ITS

MONEY, MAYBE EVEN A TAX INCREASE, WITHDRAWING MORE

FROM THE PERMANENT FUND.

I DON'T KNOW THERE IS A LEADING CONTENDER BUT IT IS

GOING TO BE A VIGOROUS DISCUSSION.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT YOU JUST TICKED OFF, THAT

HASN'T BEEN PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT.

THIS SEEMS TO HAVE UNCORKED SOMETHING HERE, THAT PEOPLE,

ANDY, ARE NOW STARTING TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS TO PAY

FOR THINGS IN WAYS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

WE HAVE GOT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION APPEALING THE

SITUATION.

I AM CONFUSED WHAT THEY ARE APPEALING HERE; CONSTITUTIONAL

RIGHTS FOR KIDS TO HAVE AN EDUCATION?

THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A WINNING APPEAL.

WHAT IS THE POINT THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE?

>> I HATE TO TRY TO GUESS WHAT THEIR MOTIVATION IS BUT WHEN

YOU SEE COURT PROCEEDINGS LIKE THIS, A LOT OF TIMES, I SEE

PEOPLE APPEAL CASES JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THE

FINAL SAY IN IT.

SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WHERE WE HAVE TO TAKE IT, JUST

WHAT OUR DUTY IS AS THE STATE TO KEEP DOING THIS.

IT IS UP TO COURTS -- SHE SAID SHE WOULDN'T STOP THE APPEAL.

I THINK THAT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE BUT SOMETIMES YOU

WANT TO TAKE IT TO AS FAR AS YOU CAN GO AND GET A FINAL

DECISION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF

AMBIGUITY ABOUT WHAT IS EXPECTED.

>> GOOD POINT THERE.

MERRITT PICK UP ON THAT.

AGAIN, WHERE IS THIS ADMINISTRATION COMING FROM AND

WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER FOR THEM TO ACCEPT THE RULING, TAKE THE

LAST FEW BITS OF THEIR TERM AND START THE PROCESS TO GET

THE NEXT PERSON A RUNNING START?

IN A PERFECT WORLD THAT WOULD WORK BUT WE ARE NOT IN A

PERFECT WORLD.

>> THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THE ENTIRE LAWSUIT IS WITH THE

DECADES OF INERTIA WE HAVE WITH REGARDS TO OUR STRUGGLING

SCHOOLS, HOW DO WE EXPECT THE SAME PEOPLE, SAME

ORGANIZATIONS TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

REACTION IS, WELL, WE'LL JUST THROW MORE MONEY AT IT.

WHAT IF WE SPENT THE MONEY WE HAD MORE INTELLIGENTLY?

WHAT IF WE LOOKED AT OVERHEAD COSTS VERSUS CLASSROOM COSTS

AND THE PERMANENT FUND ALREADY FUNDS 25% OF OUR SCHOOLS AND

WE NEED THAT STABILITY.

WE SPENT HALF OF OUR STATE BUDGET ON EDUCATION AND COME

UP WITH THE SAME TERRIBLE RESULTS.

SO, I GUESS, TO ME I THINK ANDY'S POINT THAT THE APPEAL

MAY JUST BE A WAY TO HAVE THE LAST WORD.

IT DOESN'T MATTER AND IT DOESN'T FIX THE CRISIS WE HAVE

BEEN IN FOR DECADES.

>> WHAT IF THE ANSWER ACTUALLY IS MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW?

ISN'T IT WORTH TAKING A CHANCE?

I REALIZE, THE PAST IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF FUTURE

PERFORMANCE, BUT WHAT IF WE ARE JUST AT THE THRESHOLD WITH

MORE MONEY TO PUT THINGS IN MOTION.

>> WE HAVE BEEN IN CONSTANT EDUCATION REFORM SINCE 2002

WITH COMMON CAUSE AND THEN WE WENT TO PARCC AND WE ARE NOT

SEEING THE RESULTS, SO, I GUESS, I AM KIND OF SCRATCHING

MY HEAD, IF THERE IS MONEY TO PUT TOWARD IT, WHAT IS THE

RIGHT PROGRAM?

WHAT IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW.

BECAUSE, WE HAVE THROWING MONEY AT THIS THING FOR

DECADES WITH ABYSMAL RESULTS THAT CONTINUE THE CYCLE OF

POVERTY, BECAUSE WE DID NOT PREPARE OUR CHILDREN FOR THE

WORKFORCE.

>> I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT WITH ANY ISSUE,

FIND SOMEBODY WHO IS DOING IT WELL AND TALK TO THEM.

THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.

THERE ARE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WHETHER IN NEW MEXICO OR

ELSEWHERE, THAT ARE GETTING BETTER RESULTS.

TALK TO THEM.

FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

IT IS THE WHOLE APPRECIATIVE INQUIRY.

TAKE THE BEST OF EVERYTHING AND CREATE A PROGRAM AND WE

HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOREVER.

WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON EDUCATION.

WHAT ARE THE FIXES?

WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING AND WHY ARE STUDENTS NOT DOING

BETTER?

BECAUSE MAYBE THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST THE EDUCATION WHEN

THEY GET THERE.

IF WE HAVE GOT SO MANY IN POVERTY, ARE THEY EATING

BEFORE THEY SHOW UP, ARE THEY GETTING WHAT THEY NEED, WHAT

IS HAPPENING ON THE WEEKEND?

ARE WE -- YOU KNOW -- ARE THE SERVICES THERE AND WE SPEND

25% FROM THE LAND GRANT FUND BUT, AGAIN, I LOVE THE RAINY

DAY.

I LOVE TO HOLD ON TO IT.

I APPRECIATE THAT BUT WHEN YOU ARE LAST IN THE NATION IN

PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING AND YOU HAVE ONE OF THE STOUTEST,

FLUSHEST, FATTEST LAND GRANT FUNDS IN THE COUNTRY, COME ON

PEOPLE, DRIBBLE OUT A LITTLE BIT.

A LITTLE BIT FOR THREE YEARS, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> THIS COULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

ANDY, AGAIN, SOME NEW IDEAS MIGHT SURFACE HERE.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WITH THIS RULING THE JUDGE HAS

LAYED DOWN A VERY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE.

WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND WHETHER IT IS DOABLE OR NOT, BUT PERHAPS THIS IS THE

THING TO GET PEOPLE SPURRED FORWARD, THIS DIFFICULT

CHALLENGING TIMELINE.

>> I THINK IT IS GOING TO FORCE THE STATE TO GET

CREATIVE WITH THE MONEY THEY DO HAVE AND INCREASE OF MONEY

COULD HELP, BUT I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE CONCERN FROM

THE LEGISLATURE AND LEGISLATORS SAYING MORE MONEY

IS FINE BUT SHOW US HOW YOU USE IT.

DON'T -- USE IT WISELY AND SPEND IT ON THINGS TO MAKE

SURE THE KIDS GET RESOURCES THEY NEED INSTEAD OF SOMETHING

THAT DOESN'T PERTAIN DIRECTLY TO THE KIDS.

>> TAKING INNOVATIONS THAT YOU WORK, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY

RIGHT.

WE HAVE THOSE IN OUR STATE.

WE HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT DO BETTER THAN OTHERS, EVEN

WHEN THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

LOOK AT PEOPLE -- I MOVED TO RIO RANCHO.

RIO RANCHO IS A BOOM TOWN BECAUSE OF ITS SCHOOLS.

IN GRANT COUNTY, THERE ARE TWO SCHOOL SYSTEMS, ONE OF WHICH

COVERS A MUCH MORE IMPOVERISHED POPULATION.

THOSE SCHOOLS BLOW THE REST OF THE STATE OUT OF THE WATER

CONSISTENTLY, BECAUSE THEY INNOVATE AND SEEK OUT GRANTS

AND SEEK OUT NEW WAYS TO DO THE SAME THING BETTER AND

CAN'T WE TAKE THOSE BEST PRACTICES.

>> YES, WE ARE DOING IT RIGHT HERE.

I LIVE IN RIO RANCHO, I SHOULD KNOW THAT, THAT IS WHAT

HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS.

>> I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT MERRITT BUT THERE IS SOMETHING

LEFT OFF THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE TABLE.

IT TAKES A COMBINATION OF THINGS TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT

BACK ON THE MONEY THING, WHAT JUDGE SINGLETON HAS SAID,

AGAIN, JUST TO COVER ALL BASES, WE ARE TALKING

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO EDUCATION, AND IT IS GOING TO

COST US MONEY AND WE HAVE TO GET READY FOR THIS FACT.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT?

>> WHAT IF WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE SOME KIND OF BOLD

DECISIONS LIKE, LET'S END THE PEARSON CONTRACT FOR PARCC

RIGHT NOW, PUT ALL THAT MONEY WHERE WE THINK IT NEEDS TO GO.

>> WE NEED TO CUT 10% OF OVERHEAD COSTS RIGHT NOW AND

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT AND WE ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR

FUNDING AND PUTTING IT TO THE REST OF THE STATE FOR PROGRAMS

THAT WE NEED.

I THINK THERE IS THE ABILITY TO SPEND MONEY MORE

INTELLIGENTLY THAN WE HAVE BEEN.

>> MIMI STEWARD HAD AN INTERESTING QUOTE, SAID, I AM

THANKFUL THE JUDGE IS TELLING US TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER.

I LOVE THAT.

IT'S SIMPLE.

I ASK ONCE AGAIN, IN THE LEGISLATURE IT TAKES

LEADERSHIP.

SOMEONE HAS TO STEP FORWARD AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE LAW

OF THE LAND NOW WHAT DO WE DO?

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE RULING DEFINITELY CHANGES THE LANDSCAPE A LITTLE BIT.

LEGISLATORS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS RULING AND IT HAS

BEEN ON THEIR MIND AS A POTENTIAL LARGE EXPENSE SO IT

CERTAINLY DOES CHANGE THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE.

THERE COULD BE SOME LAWMAKERS MIGHT BE MORE WILLING TO RAISE

TAXES OR INCREASE SPENDING, THAN THEY WOULD BE OTHERWISE,

BUT, THERE IS GOING TO BE A REALLY INTENSE DEBATE ALONG

THE LINES OF WHAT VIKI AND MERIT TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS

MAKING SURE THE MONEY IS SPENT EFFECTIVELY.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS SHOULDN'T LOOK AT THIS AS A POTENTIAL

BONANZA.

THEY ARE GOING TO GET SCRUTINY ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES

AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IF I CAN JUST TOUCH ON ONE MORE POINT, THE LEGISLATURE

HAS STUDIED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND FOUND SOME THINGS

THAT ARE WORKING IN NEW MEXICO.

AND THERE IS BROAD AGREEMENT FROM REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS

ON PROGRAMS THAT EXTEND THE SCHOOL YEAR, LIKE VIKI

MENTIONED, PROGRAMS THAT PREPARE CHILDREN TO BE READY

FOR KINDERGARTEN, PRE K, EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMS, THOSE HAVE

GOTTEN REALLY GLOWING REVIEWS ACROSS THE AISLE AND SO IT MAY

BE THAT PROGRAMS LIKE THAT EMERGE AS PART OF THE ANSWER.

>> RIGHT.

JUST ABOUT A MINUTE VIK.

I WISH WE HAD AN HOUR FOR THIS SUBJECT BUT I AM LOOKING AT

THIS INTERESTING THING FROM THE JUDGE THAT SHE SAYS, THAT

THE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY IN RURAL DISTRICTS AND SHE

SUGGESTED THAT THE STATE TEACHER EVALUATION SYSTEM MAY

BE CONTRIBUTING TO LOWER QUALITY OF TEACHERS IN HIGH

NEEDS SCHOOLS.

THAT IS AN INTERESTING PREMISE.

SHE MENTIONS WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW, TURNS OUT TO BE A

NEGATIVE POSSIBLY.

>> TESTING IS RIDICULOUS.

PARCC NEEDS TO GO, ALL THESE THINGS, AGAIN, WE HAVE DONE

THIS FOREVER IN THIS COUNTRY, WE HAVE EDUCATED CHILDREN IN

PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHAT DID WE DO BEFORE ALL THIS BLOATED

TESTING AND TEACHER EVALUATIONS, YOU KNOW, A

TEACHER EVALUATION SHOULD BE SOME ADMINISTRATOR AT THE END

OF THE YEAR OBSERVING A CLASS.

TALKING TO THE STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, IS YOUR TEACHER ANY

GOOD?

WHAT DID YOU DO THIS YEAR?

INSTEAD OF LIKE THIS CHECK OFF OF HOW EVERY STUDENT DID WHICH

A TEACHER HAS NO CONTROL OVER.

>> TECHNOLOGY IS HUGE, I MEAN, THIS IS SUCH AN ISSUE IN NEW

MEXICO.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE.

WE HAD A HEARING WITH THE SCC COMMISSIONER OUT HERE A COUPLE

YEARS AGO AND A STUDENT FROM ROSWELL TALKS ABOUT THEM ALL

DOING THEIR HOMEWORK IN THE MCDONALD'S PARKING LOT BECAUSE

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET AND THERE WAS TWO

COMPUTERS IN SCHOOL AND NOW THEY DO IT ALL -- ALL HOMEWORK

IS ON A COMPUTER.

>> IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF PIECES IN THAT LAWSUIT.

>> ANDY, I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, THE TECH THING

ALONE, WE BETTER BE READY TO WRITE A CHECK.

THE JUDGE HAS LAID IT DOWN, WHAT IS OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE IN

THE STATE FOR YEARS, HERE IT IS CODIFIED SAYING YOU GOT TO

GET AFTER THIS.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS IN SANTA

FE, BROADBAND ACROSS THE STATE, INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST

NOT THERE.

YOU PUT A BUNCH OF MONEY TO TECHNOLOGIES IN COMPUTERS,

THEY ARE ALMOST USELESS IF YOU CAN'T CONNECT.

>> HALF A MILLION A MILE TO DRAG FIBER.

>> PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL CONTINUE A CONVERSATION ABOUT

CUTS TO UNM SPORTS PROGRAMS.