KEITH BUTLER: Your vote is a seed. And
whatever seed you plant, it will come back
to you and to yours in terms of harvest.
(Music)
GEORGE: This is Pastor George Pearsons, and
welcome to this special edition of the Believer's Voice of
Victory broadcast, "Faith for Our Nation." And we are here
this week talking with our cohost, Buddy Pilgrim, and our
guest, Bishop Keith Butler. We are so glad that you're with us.
We're talking about how important it is that we vote in
these upcoming primaries as well as the midterm elections. And
that's the--that is the calling that we have this week on this
broadcast, is to get the Christians moving in the
direction to vote and vote righteously. Thank you for being
on the broadcast with us. KEITH: Oh, it's an honor to be here.
GEORGE: And, Buddy, thank you for working with me on this this
week. We're so-- BUDDY: Thank you, George. GEORGE: Buddy is a
tremendous board member of Kenneth Copeland Ministries as
well as a consultant to businesses. And he's working
with me right now as I help to--in my responsibilities as
CEO of Kenneth Copeland Ministries. And the vast
political background that you've had, as well as yourself, you
are--you're more than qualified to sit at this table and educate
us on what we need to do. So, Bishop, why don't you pick up on
what you were talking about yesterday, seedtime and harvest.
Talk to us about that. KEITH: Well, of course, the Bible told
us that--remember, day three, when God created the earth,
Genesis, Chapter 1-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Day three, He
created the planet, okay, and said, "Call it earth." And then
He said, "I give you every herb bearing seed," okay? Then when
He creates man in day six, okay, He tells us also, "I've given
you every herb bearing seed for you, to be for food." GEORGE:
Mm-hmm. KEITH: Of course, man says, they get wiped out. The
flood comes. God starts over again with Noah. GEORGE: Yeah.
KEITH: What's the first thing He says to Noah? "As long as the
earth remains," Genesis 8:22, "seedtime, harvest shall not
cease." So as long as the earth is here, everything operates by
seedtime and harvest. You're a result of seedtime and harvest.
I'm a result of seedtime and harvest. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH:
Our fathers carried us as a seed-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH:
--planted us into the fertile ground of our mother. Time came.
Oop, here we are. (Laughter) We're here today. That's true
spiritually, and it's true naturally, and it's true
socially. GEORGE: Good, good. KEITH: Okay? So, your vote is a
seed. And whatever seed you plant, it will come back to you
and to yours in terms of harvest. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH:
See? GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: The same thing is true of a
collective nation, that if you have--the seed that people plant
collectively brings about that. See, a lot of times people think
God just kind of says, "Well, I'm just going to do such and
such and this and that and..." No, no, no. BUDDY: Right. KEITH:
No. He set laws in motion. He will not violate His own laws.
And so we've been getting the leadership we've been getting
because of the seed we've been planting, okay? GEORGE: Mm-hmm.
KEITH: And that's why we wind up with what we do. So your vote is
a seed, and we are responsible for that. Galatians 6:7 tells
us, "As a man sows shall he also reap. God is not mocked. If you
sow to the flesh, of the flesh reap corruption." That Greek
word, "corruption," is ruin. "If you sow to the Spirit, you reap
life everlasting." GEORGE: Yes, yes. KEITH: Principle number
one. So your seed's going to impact you. Number two,
Colossians 3:2 told us--amen--over there, that we
are to put spiritual things first. Your first commitment
should be to the kingdom of God-- GEORGE: Yes. KEITH: --and
not to yourself first. GEORGE: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. KEITH: Okay.
So that means that your--your vote, in terms of your priority
of voting, must not be, "Well, how does this line my
pocketbook? How does this--" whatever it is that you think is
important. The first thing we have to go to the Word to find
out, what God's priorities are. What does the Word say how
things are to operate? And you vote that first. You compare
candidates-- BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: --on--based on those two things.
And then you determine that. And again, once again, "seek those
things which are above," the Scripture said, Colossians 3:2,
"and not on things of the earth." And then the third thing
on--yesterday, we were just starting. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH:
We were--I don't believe in election-year conversions.
GEORGE: (Laughs) KEITH: Matthew 6:33 told us, "Seek ye first the
kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these
things shall be added unto you." That's the seedtime and harvest.
GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: Election time conversions, you know,
every political cycle, candidates profess to get born
again. BUDDY: Mm-hmm. KEITH: And you get some Christians that
say, "Well, I praise for prayers." GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH:
Most of the election year. Well, that's good. I'm not disputing
that. I don't know between them and God. But I can tell you
this: The Bible told me that you'll know a tree by the fruit
it bears. Okay. And you want to look at, really, the history of
an individual-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --because politicians
will flip their issues to match where they run so that they can
get elected. But when crunch time comes-- GEORGE: Yeah.
KEITH: --and when you really believe something, which
means--it's something you might pay--have to pay a cost for,
okay, then what they really believe, that's what they're
going to do. GEORGE: Yes. Yes. KEITH: And so politicians are
famous for saying one thing in the campaign, doing another
thing when they govern. So that's why you really want to
look at, "I want to see what you were doing when you were
dogcatcher." (Laughter) You know? I want to see where you
stood on the issues. We're going to talk about issues on this
subject. GEORGE: Right, right. KEITH: "Where were you on these
issues? What is--what's really your past?" as opposed to,
"Thank God if you did get born again this year." GEORGE: Right.
KEITH: I'm not going on that. You're just a baby Christian
anyway. You don't have no strength yet. You don't have any
real teaching yet, so you're still going to revert probably
back to--at least until your mind gets renewed, which
requires time-- GEORGE: Sure. KEITH: --and teaching. During a
campaign, you don't have time. Take it from somebody who's run
some campaigns. You don't have time in order to get that
renewing of the mind yet, okay? So I think Christians should be
leery of election-year conversions. GEORGE: Yeah, yeah.
KEITH: Look at the past. BUDDY: Yeah. GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: You
said something--you said a lot of things yesterday that
impacted me, but one of them was, you gave an example of when
God told you specifically a person to vote for, which He
will reveal to us how we should vote, who we should vote for. He
cares about every decision we make in our life. I responded to
that by talking about a guy who told me basically, "Buddy, God
don't care about the business side of your life. He cares
about the spiritual side of your life," which is a false concept,
because if that were true, then we could have a spiritual side
and a family side-- KEITH: Sure. BUDDY: --a spiritual side and a
political side, a spiritual side-- KEITH: Right. BUDDY:
--and a business side. And the truth is, God cares about every
side of our life, and He wants to be involved in every bit of
it. And He'll tell us who to vote for, and He'll give us
principles that guide our vote in every single election. And
you said something yesterday. You said, "Vote on kingdom
issues first." KEITH: Yeah. BUDDY: And right before you said
that, you said that most people, unfortunately, even most
Christians, vote on pocketbook issues first. You know, James
Carville famously said, "It's the economy, stupid," back when
he was running Bill--Bill Clinton's campaign. And he was
right in the sense of most people vote based on the
economy. They based on--they vote based on pocketbook issues.
And as Christians, we shouldn't vote based on pocketbook issues
first. We should vote on kingdom issues first. And, George,
that's one of the things I so appreciate about Kenneth
Copeland Ministries and Brother Copeland's teaching for so many
years about prosperity, because when you understand the
principles of prosperity-- KEITH: Right, right. BUDDY:
--that this ministry has taught since its inception, you
understand that God is your source, not the government. And
once you understand God is your source and not the government
and that He will bless the work of your hands and that your vote
is seed--going back to what you say, that if you vote the right
way and you put your trust in God for your economic issues,
you won't have to let economic issues drive your vote. You let
those other issues that you were talking about drive your vote.
And they'll lead you to the right decision. KEITH: Right.
Well, see the Bible is God speaking to you. Now, see, the
supernatural is not. It's either anointing or it's not. And if
it's not, what are we doing, okay? GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Of
course, it is. I mean, it's--it's profitable for
reproof, for correction, for instruction, okay, and
righteousness. So obviously, God cares about everything in your
life or He wouldn't have said, "Seedtime and harvest," He
wouldn't have said a plethora of verses. GEORGE: Yeah, yeah.
KEITH: I mean, just all kinds of verses to--to talk about that.
But unfortunately, people have--think that's their pet
peeve. Now, it may not be economic issues. There are other
things that people-- BUDDY: True. KEITH: --that's their most
single issue about, okay, or distance to a thing. But the
question is, does it line up with the Word of God? What does
God say about that? BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: Okay? And what the Lord
told me--I would have never thought this individual
would--would have been someone that would--on the issues that
were important to me at the very top, not Christian issues, but
other issues-- GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: --I wouldn't have--I
wouldn't have thought that at all. But God's view of things is
different than ours. God sees things on a--on a much wider
scope than we do. We just see this little narrow thing, you
know. And not only that, God has a plan and a purpose. So it
comes back to trust--Proverbs 3:5, "Trust in the Lord with all
your heart, leaning not to your own brain power." GEORGE:
(Laughs) KEITH: "In all your ways--" BUDDY: That's good.
GEORGE: That's a great term. KEITH: "All your ways" would
include your business life, your political life and anything
else. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: "--acknowledge Him." He does the
directing. That's what Lordship is about. That word "Lord,"
"kurios," means controller, because that means God controls
wherever you go. Now, let's talk a little bit, I think, about
issues. GEORGE: Okay. KEITH: Okay? Since we talked about
that. GEORGE: Yep. BUDDY: Yeah. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Let's talk
about kingdom perspective issues. I think the biggest one
of all is Isaiah 44. And I'm going to read that, and there's
been a war in this nation ever since this deal came down this
way. But Isaiah 44, and let's read here--oh, I'll start with
Verse 2. "Thus saith the Lord that made thee and formed thee
from the womb." GEORGE: Oh. Yes. KEITH: See, God's the One who
creates life. God's the One who puts life in the body. Let me
read a couple more verses here-- GEORGE: Yeah, yeah. KEITH:
--also. You can look at Verse 24, same chapter. "Thus saith
the Lord thy redeemer, He that formed thee from the womb."
Isaiah 49:5, "And now saith the Lord that formed thee from the
womb--" GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: "--to be his servant." Jeremiah
1:5, we all know that one. GEORGE: Yep, yep. KEITH: You
know, "I called you the prophet from your birth." In other
words, abortion is a big one, okay, because what is more
important than whether or not a person gets to live or not? Live
or die. BUDDY: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
KEITH: Yeah, that's right. It said in-- BUDDY: The innocent
life. KEITH: --the Constitution of the United States, it--life
is the biggest one of all. GEORGE: Yep, yeah. KEITH:
Because God has a plan for everyone. And God's the
One--see, we create bodies. Male and the female come together,
and we create bodies and--and things come along with that. But
God's the One that put the life, okay, in there. BUDDY: Yeah.
KEITH: Amen? And then God has, for every single individual--and
people have all kind of excuses. You know, "What about rape,
incest, and all that?" My--one of my very best friends is a
pastor in Sacramento. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: He was a result
of his mother being dragged in the alley somewhere, raped by
somebody. But rather than abort him-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH:
--she--she had him and gave him up for adoption. He turned out
to be a pastor of a great church, thousands of people,
programs for the poor and drug-- GEORGE: Yep, yep. KEITH: --drug
addicted and some of everything else. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: And
then he found his mother--found his birth mother, and guess who
was blessing his birth mother? The woman who kept him alive.
BUDDY: Amen. GEORGE: Oh, my. KEITH: You see? So you cannot
play God and decide what you're going to do. And God will not--
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --He will not take kindly with your seed
supporting that kind of thing. The words told a complete thing.
Here's another one, Proverbs 14:12. I want to get into
talking a little bit about issues. And the next couple of
days, we'll get them more in detail. GEORGE: Sure. KEITH: But
I just want to run-- GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: --through some of
them. GEORGE: Good. KEITH: Proverbs 14, I put here, "Verse
12." "There is a way which seemeth right to a man, but the
end thereof are the ways of death." Well, for me, the second
one would be free speech and religious liberty-- BUDDY: Yes.
KEITH: --connected to curriculum issues at all levels of
education. BUDDY: Oh. KEITH: See, education is the big dog of
influencing the nation. I believe it was Hitler that said,
"Give me all the five-year-olds, I'll win the world." He's
correct. GEORGE: Wow. KEITH: Okay? So the adults who are
anti-God have taken the position that they want control of that
which influences people the most. The thing that influences
them the most is you get a five-year-old kid and you start
teaching that kid, indoctrinating that kid,
indoctrinate and continue-- GEORGE: Yeah, yeah. KEITH:
--until they're 18. BUDDY: And, you know, this--that leads to
the importance of us getting involved, not only in the
national elections for president-- KEITH: School board.
BUDDY: --and for Senate and for congressmen-- GEORGE: Mm-hmm,
yeah. BUDDY: --but school board, local school boards, state
elections, the--for the people who run your state Board of
Education. KEITH: Yep. BUDDY: Those are so vitally important.
And there's less than 10 percent of the population that even vote
in those elections. In some cases, there'll be less than 5
percent of the population-- GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: --that
vote. So if--if just half of the Christians were to get out and
vote in those and vote biblical principles, we would change the
course of our nation in the schools as well. And you're
right, that's where they take control. You know, Pepsi used to
have the ad, their ad, "The Pepsi Generation"? KEITH: Right.
GEORGE: Mm-hmm. BUDDY: And what they were going after was young
people because they knew if they could get you to drink Pepsi
when you were 16, they'd have you for the rest of their life.
GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: And that's what liberals know as well. They
know that if they can go after the schools and indoctrinate
that kind of ideology into people from--into kids from the
very beginning, they'll have them for life. And we've got to
take back the schools. And we can only do it through getting
involved in local elections. KEITH: Well, this is a direct
result of seedtime and harvest. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: I've been
a pastor for--in January, it'll be 40 years. How many parents--
GEORGE: Wow. KEITH: --have I talked to? "I brought the kid to
the church. I thought the Bible said, Raise them up," you know--
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: "--in the way he should go, and they'll
not depart from it." Well, the kid has your child 30 hours a
week. You bring your child to the church maybe-- GEORGE: Yeah.
KEITH: --maybe on Sunday. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: They get
two hours, maybe. GEORGE: Maybe. KEITH: Okay? Yeah, so that's a
juxtaposition. 30 hours a week every week is a direct result,
see? So if you allow your school district to have a curriculum
that's anti-God and pro all the anti-God stuff, and your child
is exposed to that, their minds are going to get renewed. Faith
is not just something--faith in the Word of God. BUDDY: Yeah.
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: All faith comes by hearing and hearing and
hearing and hearing-- GEORGE: Yes, yes, yes. KEITH:
--repeatedly. All faith does, okay? GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: You
can have faith in all kinds of things. Well, so those kids
constantly hear--hear it again and again and again because the
curriculums have moved away from teaching math, science,
computers and all that, and now there's a social agenda being
promoted at age four-- GEORGE: Mm. Mm, mm, mm. KEITH: --even
the stuff like, you know, choose--choose what gender you
are going to be-- BUDDY: Yes. KEITH: --telling a four-year-old
and a five-year-old. GEORGE: My gosh. KEITH: --and six-year-old,
seven-year-old. I mean, what kind of foolishness is this?
Well, it's--but it seems right to those who hate God. GEORGE:
Yeah. KEITH: Seems right to them. The other thing is--is
that the most folks that--the people who are most against free
speech are the ones who purport to want free speech. BUDDY:
Yeah. That's right. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. KEITH: As long as your
speech-- GEORGE: Yes. KEITH: --doesn't cross theirs. BUDDY:
Yeah. As long as it aligns with their speech, it's okay. GEORGE:
Yeah, yeah. KEITH: So what you have in the schools today--
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --is that kids who are in these Philistine
schools, and they try and speak up of biblical principles, they
get assaulted not just by other kids. They get assaulted by
teachers and administrators, and they are not allowed to speak
their views. BUDDY: Oh, they'll get a bad grade on a paper if
they write something that's different than what the
teachers-- GEORGE: Right. KEITH: And all the way through the
college level. That happened to me when I was in college. Same
thing, I had a bad--a college professor, you know, and I stood
up and said what the Bible said about something. Boy, he
targeted me for 15 weeks. And he lowered my grade, although I did
"A" work. But I did appeal to--there was a board-- GEORGE:
Mm-hmm. KEITH: --you know, because I had to appeal to them,
and they reversed the decision. But this happens not just at
that level. That happens now at grade school. And so again, your
seed-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --your vote brings a harvest
right back into your own house-- GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: --your
children, your grandchildren. GEORGE: Whew, boy. KEITH: See?
GEORGE: So it's a seed into the future. It's a seed into
the--the future, not only of our lives but our children, our
grandchildren. They're going to experience the results of what
we did here. KEITH: Mm-hmm. See, everybody can't take their kids
and put them in private school. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Not
everybody has the money. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: Not everybody even
has a school that's even available, okay, in every place,
okay. So your vote really does matter. Don't just think
presidential elections. This is very important. GEORGE: Yes.
BUDDY: You know something that, it just hit me. It should have
hit--I should have thought more about this in the past. We all
think about educating our own kids. And as parents, we have a
responsibility to make sure our own kids are educated properly.
And, you know, we put our kids through private Christian school
through all of their lives. But even if you can afford to put
your kids in a private Christian school, or you get them in a
charter school or something like that-- GEORGE: Mm-hmm. BUDDY:
--we still should be engaged in the issues that affect education
because we need to care about other people's kids and how they
get educated-- GEORGE: Yes. KEITH: Love your neighbor--
BUDDY: Yes. KEITH: --as thyself. BUDDY: Oh, man, that just--
GEORGE: Yes. That's it. BUDDY: --hit me so hard. GEORGE: Boy,
that's it. BUDDY: You know, I--I didn't want my kids in public
school, but I probably--I mean, being honest, I probably didn't
get as engaged in what was going on in the public schools in my
community as I should have because my kids were out of it.
And what I did is I--I just dismissed what was happening
with all those other kids that were in public school. GEORGE:
Yeah. KEITH: But do you think that that matters to God? BUDDY:
Absolutely. KEITH: Absolutely, it matters to God. It's one of
his agenda items as to what happens to those children, every
child. God loves every child, you see? BUDDY: Man. KEITH: So
again, it's our seed, and our commitment has to be the kingdom
issues first-- GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --because everything in
the Word of God is, at minimum, a two-fer. It's not just for
you. Everything God asks always affects someone else besides
you, at least one other person. BUDDY: Mm-hmm. KEITH: Namely,
it's more than that. Well, so those are some issues. Here's
another one. Amen. Turn to Genesis, Chapter 1. GEORGE: Wow.
KEITH: We're just--we're just covering-- GEORGE: Wow. KEITH:
--some of the--some of the issues that Christians-- GEORGE:
We'll touch on this one because we're almost out of time, but go
ahead and-- KEITH: Oh, all right. GEORGE: Go ahead and just
touch on that one, please. KEITH: Well, Genesis 1:27, it
says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female--" See-- BUDDY: Here we
go. GEORGE: Okay, yeah, yeah. KEITH: He didn't--He didn't--
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: --commit them in some bifurcated way. I
mean, he--he--(Laughs) With Him, it is black and white. BUDDY:
Yeah. KEITH: There are males and-- BUDDY: Not transgenders.
KEITH: --here is male equipment. GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: And here is
female, and here is female equipment. They are made to fit
one another perfectly, okay? (Laughter) "And there's a
psychological and emotional component that I made each one
to--to work together to bring about what God's heart is."
GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: God's heart-- BUDDY: Yep. KEITH: --is
that--what's all--what's the whole Bible's about? God having
a family. BUDDY: Mm-hmm. KEITH: It's about Him having a massive
family. GEORGE: That's it. KEITH: That's what it's about,
okay? Well, amen. No question, if you're going to support
issues that something other than that, you're definitely
biblically going crosswise to God. GEORGE: Yeah. KEITH: "Yeah,
but I just don't understand. I mean, well, what harm is it?"
Well, it's sin, and sin always results in death, period--
BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: --and all of its ramifications. Right? So, I
mean, a lot more on that. But we've seen--as I was talking
about in yesterday's broadcast-- GEORGE: Yep. KEITH: --the--the
anti-God folks, they don't just win a victory. They win a
victory, and then they keep trying to expand the envelope,
which is what we're seeing now. BUDDY: Yeah. KEITH: See, they're
expanding the envelope, okay, as much as possible. BUDDY: On that
specific issue, it started out as homosexual rights, which they
quit using the word "homosexual" and started using the word
"gay," because that sounds better than "homosexual." Once
they got what they called gay marriage approved, they even
stopped using those terms. And the only terms you hear
nowadays--and I hope we talk about this on the next
broadcast, the power of the words and how they capture the
language-- GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: --they use "LGBT." KEITH: Right.
BUDDY: Because that-- KEITH: "LBGTQ." BUDDY: LGBTQ, you're
right. KEITH: Right. BUDDY: That acronym, and those--those bunch
of letters sound less innocuous-- KEITH: Less
threatening. BUDDY: Yes, less threatening than even saying,
"gay" or "homosexual." And people take their guard down--
GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: --as a result. GEORGE: Let me finish up
this broadcast today with this word from the Lord that Brother
Copeland gave. This is 1998. "Those who vote for politicians
knowing their immoral policies and platforms and illegal acts
had better repent. They are partners with those politicians
and will be responsible for every baby's death." He said,
"You've taken the devil's part by not voting at all." This is
very, very serious. Father, we come before You. We're making
decisions all over this nation right now to vote-- BUDDY: Yes.
GEORGE: --and to plant our seed, the right seed, in Jesus'
name, amen. KEITH: Amen. BUDDY: Amen, amen.
GEORGE: I'll be right back in just a moment.
ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed today's teaching from Kenneth
Copeland Ministries. And remember Jesus is Lord.
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